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#11
11-09-2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: KK UTG+1
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in the first example if we 4-bet are we folding to a 5-bet? seems like the answer should be no, in which case we are making our hand look ridiculously strong w/ 100+bb stacks. [/ QUOTE ] Is your 4-betting range {AA} here? or non-existent. 
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#13
11-09-2007, 01:22 PM
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Re: KK UTG+1
example 1 depends on how competent 3-bettor is, if he's mucking QQ to a 4-bet we need to alter our line. however any villain that can potentially stack off with a worse hand you have to 4-bet to iso them.
ex. 2 I lean more towards a 22-2400 raise regardless of the villain ex. 3 i'm not sure about, I think you almost want to try to get more than UTG+1 in the pot. flat call would work to maybe keep the utg player in the pot, but shoving is fine too.
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#14
11-09-2007, 03:15 PM
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Re: KK UTG+1
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[ QUOTE ] in the first example if we 4-bet are we folding to a 5-bet? seems like the answer should be no, in which case we are making our hand look ridiculously strong w/ 100+bb stacks. [/ QUOTE ] Is your 4-betting range {AA} here? or non-existent. [/ QUOTE ] depends on opponents, but it's never {AA} against good ppl.
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11-09-2007, 03:33 PM
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11-09-2007, 03:35 PM
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#17
11-09-2007, 03:37 PM
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Re: KK UTG+1
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Doesn't flat calling in option one let give a ton of people behind you very good odds to see the flop? That's my concern with example one. [/ QUOTE ] I don't really care if five more people call, tbh. in fact, that might make our hand much easier to play, given the guy we're really worried about acts before we do.
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#18
11-09-2007, 03:39 PM
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Re: KK UTG+2
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I think PF is not very interesting here. What I think is interesting is what do we do if UTG flat calls the raises as well in Ex's 1 and 2 and we see a flop of 227r Edit: point being I think we are deep enough to get away from this hand in example one and maybe example 2 as well, not saying we are behind but AA is certainly a possibility and I don't think we should really be looking to automatically get all in here [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this but we're autostacking on a 722 flop, because donkament players are retarded and QQ never folds (online. I guess it does in a liveament sometimes but whatever.) now, the form that this autostacking takes is gonna vary a lot because I'll happily just call down his 3 barrels sooo often.
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#19
11-09-2007, 03:47 PM
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Re: KK UTG+1
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] in the first example if we 4-bet are we folding to a 5-bet? seems like the answer should be no, in which case we are making our hand look ridiculously strong w/ 100+bb stacks. [/ QUOTE ] Is your 4-betting range {AA} here? or non-existent. [/ QUOTE ] depends on opponents, but it's never {AA} against good ppl. [/ QUOTE ] thats my point. Wouldnt you rather 4-bet more hands than 0 hands in this spot? I mean what does our calling range look like here?
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#20
11-09-2007, 04:01 PM
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Re: KK UTG+1
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] in the first example if we 4-bet are we folding to a 5-bet? seems like the answer should be no, in which case we are making our hand look ridiculously strong w/ 100+bb stacks. [/ QUOTE ] Is your 4-betting range {AA} here? or non-existent. [/ QUOTE ] depends on opponents, but it's never {AA} against good ppl. [/ QUOTE ] thats my point. Wouldnt you rather 4-bet more hands than 0 hands in this spot? I mean what does our calling range look like here? [/ QUOTE ] unless you wanna start 4-betting light here(pretty uncommon spot and metagame is almost always irrelevant in tournaments anyway) nothing you do disguises your hand strength much. i'd rather call cause i think people are more likely to make mistakes post flop than preflop.
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