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#11
05-16-2007, 05:41 AM
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Re: IWTSTH drama, misreads - warning: long no moral to story
I don't think Hispanic Man did anything wrong here. What do you think of that?
New Guy's cards were getting tabled, whether New Guy wanted that to happen or not, so Hispanic Man did not violate the "One Player to a Hand" rule, IMO. 
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#12
05-16-2007, 11:16 AM
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Re: IWTSTH drama, misreads - warning: long no moral to story
Technically, the dealer here should make sure the cards don't go in the muck before they are tabled - and that is what happened here - regardless of who turned them over.
It would have been interesting to see what the ruling would have been had the winning hand been mucked face down touching the muck before the dealer could have reacted... I still think it wins if it can be identified easily.
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#13
05-16-2007, 11:25 AM
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Re: IWTSTH drama, misreads - warning: long no moral to story
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I don't think Hispanic Man did anything wrong here. What do you think of that? [/ QUOTE ] Saying he did nothing wrong is something of an ends-justify-the-means sorta argument. Of course he did something wrong. He tabled someone else's cards. Naughty. He was just trying to speed up the process and stop delaying the inevitable so he did no actual harm (unless the floor was gonna rule the cards didn't have to be shown for some inexplicable reason). But the result of him doing this was probably the opposite of what he intended; I imagine this actually delayed the game because of the added furor. He should just be reminded to keep his mitts off other people's cards in the future. Since no malace was intended, and no harm was done, no need for anything more.
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#14
05-16-2007, 11:25 AM
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Re: IWTSTH drama, misreads - warning: long no moral to story
The only person he can be mad at is himself, for using the IWTSTH....
Big Mistake.. Idiot.... FWIW I get more irate at myself than others, so I can understand his anger.
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#15
05-16-2007, 11:28 AM
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Re: IWTSTH drama, misreads - warning: long no moral to story
A little off-topic...
What would the ruling be if... The last person to act in a CHECKED river clearly says "FOLD" but turns his hand up to show the table and has the winner. His cards do not move forward or touch the muck. Is this a "cards speak?" situation, or is his hand dead since he declared "Fold"?
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#16
05-16-2007, 11:31 AM
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Re: IWTSTH drama, misreads - warning: long no moral to story
New guy wins and it isn't close. When you invoke IWTSTH with an appearent winner the other hands are live by rule. It doesn't matter if the delaer gets confused on which procedure to follow (touching a live hand to the muck to failing to touch a dead hand to the muck) if the appearent winner asks to see a hand it is live. The Hispanic guy probably shouldn't have grabbed the cards, but he was in a hurry and knew what the eventual outcome would be. The Hispanic guy did not violate one player to a hand because the cards need to be tabled, but the proper thing to do woudl ahve been to let the floor explain to the new player that he MUST show his cards at this time (or the casino woudl show them for him). The correct dealing procedure is to protect the muck and let him throw them forward so you can pick them up and show them.
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#17
05-16-2007, 11:35 AM
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Re: IWTSTH drama, misreads - warning: long no moral to story
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A little off-topic... What would the ruling be if... The last person to act in a CHECKED river clearly says "FOLD" but turns his hand up to show the table and has the winner. His cards do not move forward or touch the muck. Is this a "cards speak?" situation, or is his hand dead since he declared "Fold"? [/ QUOTE ] What do you mean "turns his hand up"? Exposing your hand and waving it around means nothing. Placing it on the table face up is what matters. In that case, 'cards speak' and the hand is not dead. Unless: They are HU and his verbal 'Fold' caused the other player to muck. Then I would say his hand is dead.
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#18
05-16-2007, 12:35 PM
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Re: IWTSTH drama, misreads - warning: long no moral to story
this is hilarious. id struggle not to laugh if i was at the table.
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#19
05-16-2007, 01:14 PM
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Re: IWTSTH drama, misreads - warning: long no moral to story
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this is hilarious. id struggle not to laugh if i was at the table. [/ QUOTE ] No struggling here. I'd just burst out laughing in his face for invoking IWTSTH and then getting bit by it. --Headhunter
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#20
05-16-2007, 01:20 PM
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Re: IWTSTH drama, misreads - warning: long no moral to story
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Cliff notes: Regular: IWTSTH New Guy: No Hispanic Guy: I grab New Guy's cards and show Dealer: Regular wins Rest of Table: No! New Guy has flush and wins! Floor, Poker Room Manager: WTF? Dealer: New Guy wins Poker Room Manager: Pay New Guy Regular: No, he didn't show, he said fold, he never tabled his own hand himself. Poker Room Manager: Come here, Regular Regular: I'm leaving [/ QUOTE ] A thousand-dollar lesson for Mr. IWTSTH that he'll never forget. Oh, and great Cliffs Notes!
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