Waiting to show a good hand

[jeffnc]

Just read the FAQ and read something that surprised me. It called it a "slowroll" if you wait to show what you think is the winning hand on the river, and thus a breach of etiquette. Well first of all that's not what I call a slowroll - I think if it as thinking awhile before calling a river bet with the stone cold nuts. Or messing around with showing your hand when it's your turn to show.

But if you always show your cards first just because you might have the best hand, then how the heck do you ever get to see the other guy's cards? I thought you simply went by Robert's rules of poker. The last guy to make a move (bet or raise) was the first guy to show. If he's bluffing me, I want to see what he's bluffing me with. That's just the way poker is played. What's the scoop?

[kerowo]

The slow roll that is worth a punch in the nuts is when you have the winning hand but make the other guy think his hand is good by not showing it quickly or announcing it. It doesn't have much to do with showing hands out of turn, it is all about getting the other guy excited that he won the hand then being a penii about showing the winner.

[AKQJ10]

See 100-post thread sometime in the last 3 weeks.

[steamboatin]

You will know if you get slow rolled. Some players will bet the river then wait until all the others have shown and then turn over a monster. It gives them great pleasure. Waiting your turn to show is never slow rolling. If you called a bet, you can wait until the better shows.

Don't wait to turn over a monster, it is bad manners.

[AngusThermopyle]

FAQ:

3 - If you suspect you have the winning hand at show-down then go ahead and show it. To 'stall' is called slow-rolling and is considered exceptionally bad form.


Terrible definition of "slow rolling". kerowo's definition of is correct. Waiting your turn to show with what "might" be the winner is not slow rolling, although turning it over out of turn will speed up the game.

[that_pope]

If I bet on the river, and get called, I show my hand instantly 100% of the time, automucking is -EV I think. If it is a bluff, my opponent may missread his hand and muck himself, and if I have the winner as I suspected, what am I gaining by knowing his exact two cards, other than I was betting the best hand as I suspected.

If it checks around the river, and I know I have the best hand, I show it. If I think I do, I usually verbally announce my hand outloud, like ace high, or pair of 5s, and if no one turns their hand over in the next 5 seconds (usually enough time for a better hand to show up), I will turn my cards face up, and usually get the pot about 80% of the time.

If I call a bet on the river heads up, I will make the bettor show his hand first, all the time. If I am playing a very multi-way pot (atleast 4 people left on the river) and I am exactly next to act after the bettor, I will likely call with nut hands, hoping to not chase away people who will overcall by raising, and then instantly flip over my hand, since I know it is good.

So basically, I only wait if I make some sort of crying call, or it is heads up and I am the caller.

[Frond]

I think it is funny watching guys to flip over their cards. Nobody wants to show first. Hell, I always show right away. Dont bother me none

[Jiggymike]

Slowrolling is like when you bet and you are called, show your hand, he nods as you reach for the pot, then he flips over a better hand with a smug look on his face. This is a breach of etiquette and I would not blame someone for punching someone else in the face for it.

[johnnydrama]

Since we are talking about a slow-roll, if someone with the nuts asks you for your chip count when you moved all-in, is that a slow-roll? Seems to me it is, they have the nuts for crying out loud!

Happened to me at a small home game so I chalked it up to the guy being a newbie and did not want to complain. After all, I was the dumb-a** that moved in on a semi-bluff [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[donking]

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I think it is funny watching guys to flip over their cards. Nobody wants to show first. Hell, I always show right away. Dont bother me none

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I see this a lot. Some guy bets on the river and gets 2 or 3 callers. Then he just sits there waiting for them to show first. Half the time they have the nuts and the other half of the time they have air. It seems to be some type of game they play.