river bluff vs. 2p2er

[carnivalhobo]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
allin on river. i think it's a good bluff because he probably can't put you on a missed draw after you c/c flop.

shove > fold > call imo. calling seems awful, he probably has a queen a lot.

[/ QUOTE ]

a guy with 6af isnt betting a Q that he cc with pre on the turn against a guy who likes calling him down?

[/ QUOTE ]

more likely a guy with 6af checks QT rather than checking diamonds.

[/ QUOTE ]

a 23/18 guy cc'ing QT with players behind him seems unlikely, also i think diamonds missing are a good reason not to bluff because he can put us on diamonds and call with whatever.

[carnivalhobo]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
if he folded, you had the best hand...

squeeze pre 100%

[/ QUOTE ]

great post

edit: do you pay off every time a villain takes a non-standard line? from reading your posts, it seems to me that thinking, trappy tags would have a field day against you.

[/ QUOTE ]

we aren't playing me, you are playing a 30/10/1, he's not folding a Q

your assholery is excused.

[/ QUOTE ]

read the post ftw

[bubaloo]

serious answer: if you reckon he'll fold a Q (i wouldnt b/c this line looks fos), yeah why not. but would he not 2nd barrel a Q anyway?

[pineapple888]

[ QUOTE ]
i was saying that wanting to "take it down" preflop was a joke

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, much better to trap OOP with a monster like TT.

Plus you hit a set like 40% of the time, right?

[ikestoys]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
if he folded, you had the best hand...

squeeze pre 100%

[/ QUOTE ]

great post

edit: do you pay off every time a villain takes a non-standard line? from reading your posts, it seems to me that thinking, trappy tags would have a field day against you.

[/ QUOTE ]

we aren't playing me, you are playing a 30/10/1, he's not folding a Q

your assholery is excused.

[/ QUOTE ]

read the post ftw

[/ QUOTE ]

ugh... the point still stands.. relying on ppl to fold tp when they disguised there hand on one street is pretty foolish

not 3betting in this situation is also pretty foolish.

calling seems to be the best option here rather than raising the river, you are underestimating your showdown value here a lot.

but i'm sure i'm very exploitable.

[tannenj]

my last post on preflop: yes, one or more overcards will flop pretty often. yes, it will be more difficult to play, in general, than if i repopped it. that said, if i 3bet, the original raiser will call pretty often, and overcards will still flop 70% of the time. i'll be dealing with one villain instead of two, sure, but the hand will still be tricky to play. whatever.

66: when i said "pretend i have 66," i meant just for preflop. you guys are 100% right that postflop, it is different than TT. my point was, "please ignore preflop."

[ QUOTE ]
fwiw i like a flop c/r with a pretty big range here althought i know you hate raising

[/ QUOTE ]

i don't mind this line at all, and it certainly makes the hand easier to play. as i'm sure you know, i'd prefer doing it with air to with TT.

[ QUOTE ]
This hand in a vacuum looks kinda weird

[/ QUOTE ]

true for sure, but part of it is just that i play "weird"/nonstandard pretty often. perhaps it causes me to run into trouble in ssnl at times because my metagame differs from that of more "straightforward" tags, and i am probably guilty of making poor assumptions at times about other players (usually in the area of giving too much credit, i think). that said, if some of you guys are snapcalling in this spot with a queen against someone like me, good luck.

[ QUOTE ]

we aren't playing me, you are playing a 30/10/1, he's not folding a Q

your assholery is excused.

[/ QUOTE ]

i apologize for my "assholery" towards you, but the quote makes it clear that you've given the op next to no thought. it frustrates me that such a good player is willing to post in ssnl but very often seems to provide (what i believe to be) substance-less content.

[ikestoys]

edit in 3, 2, 1...

[ikestoys]

[ QUOTE ]
my last post on preflop: yes, one or more overcards will flop pretty often. yes, it will be more difficult to play, in general, than if i repopped it. that said, if i 3bet, the original raiser will call pretty often, and overcards will still flop 70% of the time. i'll be dealing with one villain instead of two, sure, but the hand will still be tricky to play. whatever.

[/ QUOTE ]

this is terrible reasoning for not raising, you go ahead and acknowledge all the advantages for raising, then say w/e it'll still be hard, so I call. Just admit you made a mistake and move on.

[tannenj]

not really. most hands are easier to play if you 3bet them preflop. i think the ev of 3betting here is extremely similar to the ev of calling.

[ikestoys]

[ QUOTE ]
not really. most hands are easier to play if you 3bet them preflop. i think the ev of 3betting here is extremely similar to the ev of calling.

[/ QUOTE ]
yes because getting more money in while we are definitely ahead of not one, but two villains calling ranges is a bad idea.