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Old 11-28-2007, 04:32 AM
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felix,

Is it safe to assume that this war they will be fighting will be funded by the US?
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:38 AM
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The palestinians have recognized israel's right to exist for almost 20 years.

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The palestiniands have NEVER recognised Israel's right to exist. Arafat did send a letter to Rabin saying that the PLO does do so but the PLO is NOT the government and never has been.

As part of the Oslo agreement they were required to do so.
They brought it up to the committee of the Fatah and promised to create a special task force in order to investigate the actual doing so. That is as far as it has ever gone.
Even the most staunch left-wingers in Israel admit so.
In fact, each time a peace proposal comes up the big thing that is mentioned is that the Palestinians are now ready to recognise Israel.

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In the 80s, there were hardly any terrorist attacks inside israel. Most guerilla violence was against IDF soldiers inside palestinian land.

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Nice idea but total rubbish. No other word for it.
Try looking here:
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terr...risrael-3.html

And, before you say anything, I know that it includes a few cases of some Israelis performing terrorist attack on the Palestinians.

Also, you might want to look here to see what happened to terrorist acts after the Oslo "Peace Accords".

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The average palestinian isn't some demonic hate filled freak.

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Funnily enough Israelis are the same. However, at the end of the day it is the leaders you deal with and they are the ones that can't be truated.

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These are human beings.

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I assume you are talking about the ones who fire on school buses and blow themselves up in cafe's.

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If you want to build democracy in the arab world, you can start by not giving billions of dollars a year to Israel which they use to turn around and smash palestinian independence.

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Or, you could stop giving money to Egypt who give it to the Hamas and stop giving money to the Saudis who pass it on to al-Qaeda.
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:57 AM
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If you want to build democracy in the arab world, you can start by not giving billions of dollars a year to Israel which they use to turn around and smash palestinian independence.

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and, you could stop giving money to Egypt who give it to the Hamas and stop giving money to the Saudis who pass it on to al-Qaeda.

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Old 11-28-2007, 07:40 AM
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I, in fact, feel that the only honest side here are the Palestinians. The only interest they have is to set up a state in order to have a base from which to further attack Israel as they do from Gaza. They do not hide this fact.

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what the [censored] are you talking about? The palestinians have recognized israel's right to exist for almost 20 years. In the 80s, there were hardly any terrorist attacks inside israel. Most guerilla violence was against IDF soldiers inside palestinian land.

The average palestinian isn't some demonic hate filled freak. These are human beings. They want a life worth living. This means they want their own land and they want freedom. A lot of people don't realize this, but palestinians are among the most liberal arabs in the world.
If you want to build democracy in the arab world, you can start by not giving billions of dollars a year to Israel which they use to turn around and smash palestinian independence.

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The level of liberality among most Palestinians does not help much when an organization like Hamas is popular among the same people. Hamas are certainly not just fighting for their own peaceful Palestine state, they are also fighitng against the existance of a jewish nation in the area.

Building democracy in the Arab world is probably not acheived by letting Israel be left defenseless, as it is surruounded by less than friendly neighbors.
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Old 11-28-2007, 09:47 AM
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Building democracy in the Arab world is probably not acheived by letting Israel be left defenseless, as it is surruounded by less than friendly neighbors.

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I've never understood what the deal is with everyone feeling the need to "help" Israel. Israel has one of the most highly trained fighting forces in the world. I have no doubt that an Israeli Spec Ops squad would be one of the few groups in the world who would be victorious in a fight against elite SEALs, or a Blackwater security team.

Israel doesn't need our help to defend themselves. They may be small, but I have little doubt they could level the middle east if they felt they needed to, without US assistance.
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Old 11-28-2007, 09:59 AM
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The State Department lost a brilliant diplomat when you decided to become a moron.

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Well thanks for the compliment but being smarter than a typical US State Dept employee is not much of an accomplishment.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:00 AM
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I think it will work this time. I predict universal harmony by 2009.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:04 AM
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An overwhelming military victory by one side is the "best" way to bring peace to this area. Sinced I'm biased against the Arab culture and especially their religion, a Jewish victory would be my choice.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:04 AM
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InTheDark, please name one historical example where an outside power imposed a long lasting peace by indiscrimately slaughtering the civilians of a country they occupy.

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we're living in it

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We didn't indiscriminately slaughter the Native Americans, we systematically slaughtered them. The key to the European victory in North America wasn't to intimidate the Natives, it was to kill or expel so many of them that the remainder were no threat. Felix's solution is much more likely to succeed than InTheDark's solution at the expense of being evil.

Also, if you didn't hear, Israel and Fatah last night formally agreed to resume peace talks at the Annapolis convention for the first time since Clinton's failed 2000 Camp David talks.



Olmert is on the left, Abbas is on the right.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:14 AM
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InTheDark, please name one historical example where an outside power imposed a long lasting peace by indiscrimately slaughtering the civilians of a country they occupy.

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If Israel use the power to "indiscrimately slaughtering the civilians", then we would see millions of Arabs fleeing to Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon. It would be a situation similiar to the Rwandan genocide. Using phrases like "indiscrimately slaughtering the civilians" should not be used lightly and should only be used where appropriate. Israel is not even on the radar map when it comes to using that type of language.

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please name one historical example

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Ghengis Khan pacified his conquer lands using these types of methods. In his lands, he had Muslims, Jews, Christians, and the native Eastern religions. People knew the Khans did not play around when it came to war...

After WW2, Sudaten Germans where ethnically cleanse from Czechlosvakia and there is no more German insurection in these lands any more. Also Germans where ethnically cleansed out of Eastern Germany (modern day Poland) and there is no more German unrest in these lands.

Overwhelming defeat + overwhelming victory = Peace
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