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#21
08-27-2007, 07:38 PM
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Re: 20/180 Play along. Pair and flush draw on flop facing lots of acti
Pot the flop and get it in if raised. If you just get called, shove the turn.
Stack size and the multiway nature of the pot makes me want to pot it here -- it sets up stacks nicely for a turn shove. 
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#22
08-27-2007, 07:47 PM
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Re: 20/180 Play along. Pair and flush draw on flop facing lots of acti
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Any time someone folds, you gain equity. For example, in a 3-way pot in limit hold'em you might raise with the 2nd best hand to knock out the player with the third best hand. It cost you one extra BB to knock him out, but you pick up more equity in the pot. [/ QUOTE ] This doesn't apply as much to no-limit as it does to limit because of the nature of the betting. As for the current hand, it definitely doesn't apply since you have enough equity you make more by getting it all in vs. multiple opponents than you do by knocking 1 out. In your 88 and AJ example, knocking out 88 increases your equity from 48% to 53%, but you get a pot that roughly 2/3 the size, and 0.48*3x > 0.53*2x.
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#23
08-27-2007, 11:32 PM
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Re: 20/180 Play along. Pair and flush draw on flop facing lots of acti
Whoa, I kinda forgot about this thread. The general consensus seems to be lead out. OK, I didn't, mostly because being smooth-called would suck, and I'm not sure how much FE I have if I get raised. So let's move on assuming I check.
2 early limpers, CO limps, SB completes and I check the BB with 76c. Flop (pot = 750): Jc6h5c. SB checks. I check with the intention of CRAI. EP limper bets 450 with 750 behind. LP limper (covers) raises to 1600 total. SB folds, and it's on me. Yuck. Now what? I have about 2850 left.
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#25
08-28-2007, 05:41 AM
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Re: 20/180 Play along. Pair and flush draw on flop facing lots of acti
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I'm not sure how much FE I have if I get raised. [/ QUOTE ] Probably more than you think and definitely more than you need. We'd rather whichever villain it is folded higher flush draw, which is more likley to happen if you CR, but 3bet is not ever going to be wrong. As played, we this is now kind of messy because we have no FE and can't clean up our outs by shoving. We're hoping to be up against two jacks or two flush draws. If we're facing a jack and a high FD, I'm guessing we're toast, though I'd be interested if someone could put this through PS, with any reasonable j and fd in their ranges as well as 56 and maybe 87 and some sets.
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