T7o in the SB

[StrictlyStrategy]

Could you guys go on more about not betting the flop?

[Joe Tall]

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are you bluffing???? bb has the 92 of clubs and cant call and button has A-8 that is scared to death BB flopped the balls.

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I thought I could get the button to fold a better 7 for one sec, then, I thought, wait, he doesn't have a better one...

I knew what BB had, as do you. (same principle at least.)

[Joe Tall]

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If you're going to play poorly postflop go ahead and fold preflop :-p.

Seriously though, just check the flop and see. I think betting in this spot makes playing the hand easier for your opponents and harder for you.

Somehow you ended up with with second pair on the river in a large 3 way pot. When I'm running/playing bad I always end up in spots like that somehow. They should be avoided.

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I think the flop bet is near standard. I'm up against two poor playing limpers and a random hand, I have the nuts way too often, and obv, a draw to the nuts.

[Maliant]

From flop action seems like BB has u beat..

[Joe Tall]

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From flop action seems like BB has u beat..

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Bah, he's jamming a draw. The player is solid, there is a draw on the flop, if he has flopped a strong hand, he's fast playing. This is exactly what I would do, and what you should do with a hand like 9cxc, a "rope-a-dope" my equity favorite on the flop, tie players to the pot.

[KitCloudkicker]

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From flop action seems like BB has u beat..

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Bah, he's jamming a draw. The player is solid, there is a draw on the flop, if he has flopped a strong hand, he's fast playing. This is exactly what I would do, and what you should do with a hand like 9cxc, a "rope-a-dope" my equity favorite on the flop, tie players to the pot.

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exactly im not worried about the BB here.

if the button raises i would just give him credit for the 8 and fold.

[gaming_mouse]

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Don't bet the flop,

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makes sense.

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don't call the raise, and don't call the 3-bet.

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[andyfox]

Really. You have middle pair and a straight draw that could be second best striaght and that will not get much action and there's a flush draw as well. Making two pair is going to be ugly and while your hand may be best now, there are a lot of cards that will be ugly still in play. And you're out of position. A lot of negatives.

[gaming_mouse]

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Really. You have middle pair and a straight draw that could be second best striaght

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TJ[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] specifically is not enough reason to discount our straight outs.... at least not by much.

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and that will not get much action and there's a flush draw as well.

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so discount the 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] we still have 5 outs to call the first raise getting 8:1.

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Making two pair is going to be ugly and while your hand may be best now, there are a lot of cards that will be ugly still in play. And you're out of position. A lot of negatives.

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true, it's not a good spot... I still don't see how this can possibly be a fold though. It seems you are overestimating our reverse implied odds for those times he has the made str8 or those times we make a str8 but lose to a flush.

[Maliant]

If u call flop do u have to call turn, especially if its a 4?