KK in SB 0.50/1.00

[rhayder]

Read: 8.5/3/1.4/2.5/3.0 324 Hands



Limit Hold'em, $0.50/$1 (HH Converter by Kreatief)

UTG+1 ($62.15)
UTG+2 ($74.40)
MP1 ($55.60)
MP2 ($11.53)
MP3 ($20.75)
CO ($38.77)
Button ($43.75)
SB ($15.85) (Hero)
BB ($61.80)
UTG ($17.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, CO calls,

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( 11.25BB )
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Button calls,

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( 12.25BB )
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls,

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( 14.25BB )
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls,

[neurotiq]

So, button 5bets preflop? Or is this an error in the converter?

If button did, indeed, put in the 5th and final raise preflop, I'd go for a c/r on the flop.

Turn and river look great. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[rhayder]

Yes 5 bet is correct. No converter error.

[Mitke]

On the flop:

AA is 6 combos
QQ is 2 combos
AQ is 12 combos but I doubt any of them are in his range given those stats.

KK is 1 combo
AK is 8 combos but should probably be discounted a bit.
JJ is 6 combos but should probably be discounted.

This looks like wa/wb to me. Most likely it's chop or beat though... I guess I wouldn't mind a c/c on the big streets either to avoid a raise.

[Mitke]

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Btw, are these vpip/pfr/ and AF per postflop street?

That's how I interpreted it, and pfr I used to narrow his range to those I listed.

[Aaron W.]

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Read: 8.5/3/1.4/2.5/3.0 324 Hands

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8 VPIP, 3 PFR? I don't like when a nit limp/5-bets. Check-call and hope you don't see AA. If he's doing something stupid with random cards for some unknown reason, you don't want to slow him down.

[Mitke]

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If button did, indeed, put in the 5th and final raise preflop, I'd go for a c/r on the flop.

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Could you explain your reasons for a c/r here?

The pot is very big so maybe getting 2-3 out hands to fold is good. AA or KK will not fold I think. Qx may fold but it only has 2 outs any way. AQ has 5 outs but it is the only hand that has more than 3.

Or are you going for value? Against the nit's probable range that doesn't look like a good idea to me.

[LateFlag]

I'll join the chorus of people who are mildly confused about the stats you posted.

Unless you tell me otherwise, I am going to assume that his VPIP is 8.5 (!) and his PFR is 3. When a guy like this limp-reraises, watch out. Granted, his LRR was idiotic since he already had a guy call in front of him, but I think he's going to show you AA pretty much every single time, especially when he 5-bets you preflop.

I would just c/c every street because he's either got AA or he's completely out of line with something weaker. There's not a lot of value in betting under either of those scenarios.

[neurotiq]

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Could you explain your reasons for a c/r here?

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Sure. He capped preflop, so I'm putting him on a premium hand that isn't likely to fold (even JJ usually calls down after capping preflop and AK will usually c-bet the flop and call a raise, but fold the turn whether I check/raise or not).

There are 16 combos of AK and 6 combos of JJ (22 total combos) that I beat. There are 6 combos of AA and 3 combos of QQ (9 total combos) that I lose to. There's only one remaining combo of KK for the chop. This means I'm ahead a lot more often than I'm behind.

So, I extract maximum value in my flop c/r. If he 3bets, then I can call down.

[Mitke]

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Could you explain your reasons for a c/r here?

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Sure. He capped preflop, so I'm putting him on a premium hand that isn't likely to fold (even JJ usually calls down after capping preflop and AK will usually c-bet the flop and call a raise, but fold the turn whether I check/raise or not).

There are 16 combos of AK and 6 combos of JJ (22 total combos) that I beat. There are 6 combos of AA and 3 combos of QQ (9 total combos) that I lose to. There's only one remaining combo of KK for the chop. This means I'm ahead a lot more often than I'm behind.

So, I extract maximum value in my flop c/r. If he 3bets, then I can call down.

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There's only 8 combos of AK. Hero holds two Kings. That doesn't of course change your reasoning behind the c/r. Now it would be 14 combos you beat vs 9 you don't.

IMHO, I'd discount the JJ and AK because of Villain's very nitty stats and I'd discount them enough that a c/r doesn't look appealing to me, regardless that c/r looking the best way to lose CO from the big pot.

Nevertheless, we are in guesstimate land now so there is no point in arguing that much further. There's a small chance that my guesstimate has become results oriented too.

I can't see faults in your logic for the c/r or your plan for the rest of the hand, just the premises.