Is it absolutely correct..

[Kel.H.Z.]

can we actually say it's absolutely correct to never cc pf in position? what r the advantages of cc instead of 3 betting in heads up pot in position if there's any? i know a limit specialist would say it is wrong to cc anytime pf period unless in multi way pots, but if i were to play a consistent and optimal game in medium stake limit(full ring and exclude tilt factor), is there any room for me to try to be tricky and try to confuse my opponent on my cc hand ranges. new to this forum, more content less flame plz tyvm

[piggity]

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can we actually say it's absolutely correct to never cc pf in position? what r the advantages of cc instead of 3 betting in heads up pot in position if there's any? i know a limit specialist would say it is wrong to cc anytime pf period unless in multi way pots, but if i were to play a consistent and optimal game in medium stake limit(full ring and exclude tilt factor), is there any room for me to try to be tricky and try to confuse my opponent on my cc hand ranges. new to this forum, more content less flame plz tyvm

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When you're asking about absolute correctness, you're asking about optimal play. Unfortunately game theoretical optimal preflop strategy in a limit hold'em game is still unknown to the world. However, I think it's safe to say it would not have a cold-call percentage of zero for all situations preflop.

[Kel.H.Z.]

i was speaking hypothetically that cc pf is not preferred by strong limit players, obv. depending on timing/emotion/situation even the strongest players would cold call occasionally (although by then they r no longer playing an optimal game). of course all the above stated situation is in full ring, and btw ty replying my first post sir

[BadBigBabar]

here's a random example: fullring limit game. utg raises, 4 coldcalls, you have pocket 2s. coldcalling is the best play. same situation, you have t9s or something, coldcall is fine.

[Kel.H.Z.]

i was thinking more about a hu pot, i did say that in multi way pots cc can b the right play at times. and what about if we r now in co w/ 9s, mp opens, and hj cc, is cc here a tolerable play? and in the same situation but we r on the bb w/ ak, is 3 betting a horrendous play? im just posting this to c wuts the general concensus on cc or 3 betting preflop. of course we cannot say wut the REAL optimal plays r in every situation, but based on people's experience in medium stake, we can get a good idea of what the most profitable plays r, agreed? thank you for participating

[sternroolz]

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i was thinking more about a hu pot, i did say that in multi way pots cc can b the right play at times. and what about if we r now in co w/ 9s, mp opens, and hj cc, is cc here a tolerable play? and in the same situation but we r on the bb w/ ak, is 3 betting a horrendous play? im just posting this to c wuts the general concensus on cc or 3 betting preflop. of course we cannot say wut the REAL optimal plays r in every situation, but based on people's experience in medium stake, we can get a good idea of what the most profitable plays r, agreed? thank you for participating

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I really can't imagine a situation where I would not 3-bet 99 or AK in these situations, except for the very rare exception where I might muck either hand if the original pf bettor is tight and predictable enough. I don't think I would ever just call the raise in these situations exactly as described.

[Captain R]

Unless you're on the button, there's no way to know if a hand is going to be heads-up. Even on the button, the BB may call/raise a 3-bet, so your hypothesis doesn't make any sense.

[Captain R]

Here's a situation that may "prove" it is correct to sometimes cold-call and not 3-bet in position.

HJ raises, you have some hand that probably has 50% equity against his range when you consider all factors (position, initiative, etc.). Maybe something like 77/88. SB and BB are both the nittiest guys in the world and will only play QQ/KK/AA in this spot in which case they will 3-bet. Everything else they fold. I think a cold-call makes the most sense here. No need to raise to kick out the blinds, if they are in the hand they will re-raise. And since you're 50/50 equity against HJ's hand, no need to raise again.

And since you're getting an overlay with the dead money, you can play your 50/50 hand. Maybe you can even call with a slight dog.