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NinaWilliams · #1 11-12-2007, 10:00 PM

Villain is 26/17. He plays decent, maybe a bit spewy. Im raising any turn. Thoughts on this? 3 bet turn or call down?

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
4 players
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Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6SB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero

thepizzlefosho · #2 11-12-2007, 10:04 PM

call down. if you are behind you likely have 2 outs, and he'll likely fired the river as a bluff anyway so you get the same number of bets. Plus if you 3-ball then you open yourself up to getting capped, in which case you are rarely good.

johnnyrocket · #3 11-12-2007, 10:06 PM

he can be bluffing here, i think this is an easy call down with 1010 against him. He didnt 4 bet PF so i knock AA, KK, QQ out of his range. He can definitely be doing this with a middle PP or JJ or occassionally air. Call down then take notes on the hand.

mattnxtc · #4 11-12-2007, 10:43 PM

On this board I think this is probably an easy calldown...he makes this play with ak,99, 88, and so forth

TheHip41 · #5 11-12-2007, 10:47 PM

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he can be bluffing here, i think this is an easy call down with 1010 against him. He didnt 4 bet PF so i knock AA, KK, QQ out of his range. He can definitely be doing this with a middle PP or JJ or occassionally air. Call down then take notes on the hand.

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fwiw, if I was the villian, and I'm close to 26/17, I will have TT beat here about 100% of the time.

Seeing as the villian is not me, and I play in the same games as the OP, I'm never folding this.

Just wanted to point out that against a good player, you are done.

mattnxtc · #6 11-12-2007, 11:03 PM

The hip...you dont think this is him making a play with a wide range enough to be a call?

private joker · #7 11-12-2007, 11:19 PM

Why no flop raise? Does everyone here just call this flop? 2+2 seems to have a wait-for-the-turn disease and it's spreading like the HIV. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong and I need to catch it too.

mattnxtc · #8 11-12-2007, 11:21 PM

I actually didnt catch that...I think its a pretty easy raise/call...villain played this just like a pocket pair.

thepizzlefosho · #9 11-12-2007, 11:24 PM

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Why no flop raise? Does everyone here just call this flop? 2+2 seems to have a wait-for-the-turn disease and it's spreading like the HIV. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong and I need to catch it too.

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in BvB I raise the flop a lot because I expect that TAGs will put me on a draw and call down with all their Ax hands.

If it was against a LAG who is probably going to bet the turn always I would probably wait and raise the turn.

TheHip41 · #10 11-12-2007, 11:26 PM

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The hip...you dont think this is him making a play with a wide range enough to be a call?

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i realize that I'm saying two things.

1. I'm never folding to this play online.

2. If I make this play on you, you have 2 outs every time.

But no, I never fold here, unless the river brings an A, or the wheel gets there, then I think you can't call.