Hit bottom set... am I good here?

[Lostit]

3-way pot, with 2 villains, one deep, one average stacked.

Deep stacked villain in the CO is 22/13/4 in 300+ hands
Average stacked villain in the BB is 46/11/2 in 100 + hands

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $49.15
Hero (MP): $71.90
CO: $145.10
BTN: $52.25
SB: $76.95
BB: $48.35

Pre-Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, CO calls $1.75, 2 folds, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($5.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $4</font>, BB calls $4, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, CO calls $10, <font color="red">BB raises to $26</font>,

Hero??[/i]

Here I have third set, but look at the board. There is a straight possibility as well as oversets that could beat me. You also have 2 players that are willing to play for significant bets on a non-broadway, non-flush board.

More importantly, look at the line the BB took on the flop. Check/Call/Raise?? How is this not a monster? And he has an AF of 2. Add in the deep stack whose hanging around, but with his raise/check/call line I think he's ready to fold.

What do you do here?

[Micro Donk]

lead flop. not one you want to slowplay. infact try not to slowplay.

shove with a fistpump.

[vixticator]

Can easily be JT, KQ. CO looks really weak, like AT. You should have led the flop. I think you are behind here rarely.

[Lostit]

One thing to add here, The CO had an aggression factor of 4 but his Flop aggression factor was a 7. Also, he was pouncing on any post flop weakness every chance he had. I figured he'd put in a bet and he did.

I do agree that I normally need to lead that flop, but in this case it really was a special circumstance and wanted to break this guy of betting every hand since he was directly to my left.

[Dallas Dru]

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lead flop. not one you want to slowplay. infact try not to slowplay.

shove with a fistpump.

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[Logun]

shove here, I think you might see 2 pair from BB and TP or a draw (OE) from CO.

If they do have 78 then you have a decent amount of outs

[Student Caine]

Shove it and love it.

Lead the flop.

If you are going to worry about set over set when you get resistance then you should stop playing small pp's

[Lostit]

I'm very surprised that no one cares about the check/call/raise line in the face of aggression from the BB. How often do you see this? To me it screams STRENGTH!!! Especially 3-way when each of the other 2 players have raised on this street already.

That being said, I ignored my instinct, and said if I lose so be it, and I shoved. The CO folded like I expected and the BB called and turned over 10 10 for top set.

Turn was a 9, to give both of us a boat, and the river was a 10 to give him quads, even though it didn't matter.

I'm not surprised by all the votes for shoving, but am very surprised that no one expressed any reservations on this.

[Micro Donk]

Average stacked villain in the BB is 46/11/2 in 100 + hands

and youre saying his line is always a hand you beat? ok sure, fold it and mutter when the muppet does it with AT, T9, T6, KT....

[Kasane]

Just one of those hands where you destined to put the money in and hope for the best. No folding here, sorry. BB does have a good, made hand here -- we don't know what it is, but we're way ahead of a lot of 2pr hands, way behind sets, and have outs against the straight. Considering how much is in there, we have to go with it. Push here.

(note: I ran this kinda fast and might've missed some very logical stuff)

Board: 6s 9h Tc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.282% 35.22% 00.06% 235997 402.33 { 6c6d }
Hand 1: 30.750% 29.08% 01.67% 194864 11168.33 { QJs, T9s, 87s, QJo }
Hand 2: 33.968% 32.30% 01.67% 216426 11168.33 { JJ-99, T9s, T6s, 96s, 87s, T9o, 87o }


JJ is only in BB's range to represent all the overpairs that BB might have slowplayed pf, JJ-AA.

You'll see that this is a rather pessimistic view, and it's still a push. You're 50% against BB's range if CO drops out btw; I stoved it.

Oh, and lead flop. CO raising would be sweet anyway, and c/r just lets him off easy with his aggression.