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Old 08-29-2007, 08:23 PM
shpanko shpanko is offline
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Default KK as bluffcatcher vs tilty unknown

Ok so the villain in the hand is unknown but I just stacked him like 5 hands ago with the following hand. THis is 200 NL BTW, stacks in first hand are $200.

I raise Ac7c on the button and he calls in BB. Flop is 67Qr,he checks, I c-bet $10 into $14, he c/r'es me to $40, I get a strange vibe from him so I call. Turn is another Q, he instashoves for the remaining $150, I call and his 67 is no good (whoops).

So he's obviously a bit tilted by me when this hand comes up.

Villain min-raises UTG, SB calls, I repop to $20 with KK, villain calls, SB folds.

Flop (Pot $44)
A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero checks, villains bets pot pretty quickly, Hero calls.

Turn: (Pot ~$130)
5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Hero checks, villain shoves AI fairly quickly for $210, Hero?

So you guys have all the history between us there is and know what I know, I know he's tilting and am not sure what he'd do this with. Can I call here or is this an easy fold?
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Old 08-29-2007, 08:24 PM
Teh1337zor Teh1337zor is offline
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Default Re: KK as bluffcatcher vs tilty unknown

just pick a better spot
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Old 08-29-2007, 08:33 PM
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Default Re: KK as bluffcatcher vs tilty unknown

i would have bet the flop and slowed down if get called or even raised. as said i'd just wait for a better spot to get my money in.
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Old 08-29-2007, 08:39 PM
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Default Re: KK as bluffcatcher vs tilty unknown

Betting the flop doesn't seem the most +EV to me. Do others disagree?
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Old 08-29-2007, 08:41 PM
Kimo White Devil Kimo White Devil is offline
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Default Re: KK as bluffcatcher vs tilty unknown

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Betting the flop doesn't seem the most +EV to me. Do others disagree?

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I dont like betting the flop here. We catch a lot of bluff with our hand on turn. tough spot, I fold.
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Old 08-29-2007, 08:43 PM
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Default Re: KK as bluffcatcher vs tilty unknown

i would minreraise his flop bet
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Old 08-29-2007, 08:48 PM
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Default Re: KK as bluffcatcher vs tilty unknown

Shpanko,

I don't think betting the flop is most +ev as you said. However, I always find it difficult in these spots to play the hand optimally because we're oop and our hand is pretty face up as something in the JJ-KK range here usually.

On the turn I think i might call since his range is probably pretty polarized to AK+/bluffs and hes pretty tilty.
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Old 08-29-2007, 11:50 PM
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Default Re: KK as bluffcatcher vs tilty unknown

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i would minreraise his flop bet

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lololol
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Old 08-30-2007, 12:36 AM
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Default Re: KK as bluffcatcher vs tilty unknown

i dont hate a call. go with your gut here.
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Old 08-30-2007, 12:41 AM
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Default Re: KK as bluffcatcher vs tilty unknown

flip a coin and call... really think its close on both sides
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