Huge, Huge, Huge pot early in the Stuper, Pair+FD

[Jurollo]

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t100/t200
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t5745
UTG+1: t12419
MP1: t7070
MP2: t6470
MP3: t5295
CO: t1255
Button: t4972
SB: t7953
WPThero: t12725

Pre-flop: (9 players) WPThero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls t200 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t300)</font>, UTG+1 calls t200 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t500)</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t200 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t700)</font>, 2 folds, Button calls t200 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t900)</font>, SB calls t100 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1100)</font>, WPThero checks.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t1200, 6 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">WPThero bets t700</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t700 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1900)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises to t2400</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">WPThero ?????

Note the stack of the player behind me, we are both huge. Whats the play?

[THAY3R]

Shovvveeeee

[Cornell Fiji]

"i'm all in"

or, you can raise to 7500 if you believe that it looks stronger.

[THAY3R]

To expand,

Shove because you have major fold equity and you're never way behind.

[nath]

Shove for sure. BTW I would be more worried about the raiser's hand than the caller's.

[Nate.]

Jurollo --

As Nath implied, a key to this hand is that UTG+1 can reasonably or unreasonably (given the board, the preflop action, both your depths, and the way these multiway limped pots tend to play) call your bet with a wide range. (So his average hand is weaker.)

As Nath also implied, that raise is pretty strong, but basic equity considerations force you to be (more than) willing to go to the felt with him. Since there's no compelling reason to keep UTG+1 in--largely because he has position on you on the turn--you should be reraising. So push.

--Nate

[stevepa]

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To expand,

Shove because you have major fold equity and you're never way behind.

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Shoving is likely correct but I really disagree with this part. MP2 is almost always calling.

[driverseati]

[ QUOTE ]
To expand,

Shove because you have major fold equity and you're never way behind.

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I'm not sure about having major fold equity. With the caller, I agree, however, with the raiser, I don't think he's folding to a shove.

When the action gets to you, the pot is 5000. Your shove makes the effective pot 11500 (assuming the caller folds) making it 3800 for the raiser to call, effectively getting about 3 to 1 on the call.

The raiser (correctly) will call with any flush draw, set, two pair, overpair, and TPTK. He will probably call with most top pair hands.

My gut feeling on this, and it may not be optimal (due to the caller in between), is that a better play would be to pull a little stop and goesque play to call the flop and pray that the caller doesn't call behind, then shove any turn. This way, even though most of the above hands will call, you can get better flush draws to fold.

Just a thought, this could be completely spewish/donkish, but it's at least worth thinking about.

[gobboboy]

He has a set about 80% of the time here and AA-KK the other 20% of the time. You have too much hand to fold though.

[stevepa]

Nate, I don't think position in what is going to be a huge pot whatever you do plays a big role.

Random thoughts not directed at anyone: in some ways you would like to give the huge stack the illusion of FE, since him shoving draws is good. The only problem is if you flat call, he'll often flat call with hands you'd rather either fold or get all the money in now, so shoving is likely better than flat calling.

Steve