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#11
05-02-2006, 07:36 AM
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Re: 5/10 online. J6s flops draw, get a freebie or get it in?
ah-in baby
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#12
05-02-2006, 08:19 AM
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Re: 5/10 online. J6s flops draw, get a freebie or get it in?
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[ QUOTE ] You need to see two cards [/ QUOTE ] Why? [/ QUOTE ] We've got a draw, lots of dead $ & repped a big hand. If a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits I don't think more $ is making it's way into to the pot. Further, a brick falls we are going to pay near pot to draw to the last card? Do you simply give up after the 3-b to 290 pf?
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#14
05-02-2006, 09:17 AM
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Re: 5/10 online. J6s flops draw, get a freebie or get it in?
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I used to push on TAGs in this situation all the time, but realized that they always trap in this spot with monsters and only sometimes lay down QQ. I would check behind and stack him when the diamond comes on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] I have to disagree, I really think a push is in order to win the pot against QQ-JJ. How do you expect to win this pot if you check the flop and a brick hits? I don't like checking the flop with only 650 behind in a 500+ pot. Why would we advocate check-folding the turn if a non-diamond hits... because that's why we'll have to do if he bets out with those hands. Are you saying he won't bet out the turn with QQ and JJ and can then see the river for free anyway? and that the hands he'll bet the turn are ones you're losing to on the flop so there's no loss in checking the flop and folding the turn? Against lags you must bet the flop.
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#15
05-02-2006, 09:34 AM
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Re: 5/10 online. J6s flops draw, get a freebie or get it in?
if this is ub then i push because they always put you on AK when you do that 4 bet stuff.
on party i think the TAGs have a greater chance of having only AA or KK.
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#16
05-02-2006, 10:55 AM
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Re: 5/10 online. J6s flops draw, get a freebie or get it in?
FV,
the real question is, why did you 4bet preflop without a plan?
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#17
05-02-2006, 10:59 AM
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Re: 5/10 online. J6s flops draw, get a freebie or get it in?
FWIW, my plan is usually to give up once they call the 4 bet. I'll 4-bet to try to take it down, but if I don't take it down I usually find that it's because they have a monster and only didn't push because they want me to keep betting with worse. I would check here.
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#19
05-02-2006, 11:11 AM
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Re: 5/10 online. J6s flops draw, get a freebie or get it in?
I think you guys are over estimating the times you get QQ to fold the flop here (and I'm not all that convinced that QQ would play it like this). I think my best chance to fold QQ is to check the flop and push any turn bet if he doesn't commit himself. I'm not sure it matters much though but I'd be giddy to showdown this hand, win or lose.
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#20
05-02-2006, 12:18 PM
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Re: 5/10 online. J6s flops draw, get a freebie or get it in?
The problem is that if you check behind and whiff the turn, any bet he makes on the turn is going to he uncallable because his shallow stack in comparison to the pot gives no implied pot odds, and you will have no fold equity. Basically, any bet he makes on the turn is going to be a push, and you can't call the push without a made hand.
Push now.
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