KJ facing turn donk

joop · #1 09-16-2007, 11:06 AM

10/20 online 5handed

Hero dealt KJs

1 fold, 1 limp, hero raises, blinds come along and we see flop 4way for 8SB

K86 with 2flush, i have no flush draw

2 checks, big fish bets, I raise, TAG in BB calls two, bettor calls

turn is 4, completing flush

TAG leads out, fish calls... action to me with 9BB in pot

what's my play?

Annorax · #2 09-16-2007, 11:36 AM

I think you're drawing dead here... the TAG has either the flush or a set. Fold.

Keepitsimple · #3 09-16-2007, 02:16 PM

I call down. Might be a leak but pot is big and maybe TAG plays Kx like this.

donger · #4 09-16-2007, 02:54 PM

How long did TAG pause before calling two cold? A longer pause could indicate him trying to figure out how to play TPNK there, a fast call obv indicates a draw he can't fold and knows he shouldn't threebet.

joop · #5 09-16-2007, 03:18 PM

Honestly, I'm not sure - was playing too many tables at the time to notice.

mntbikr15 · #6 09-16-2007, 09:09 PM

I think youre drawing dead here very often. That said, I seldom fold.

ILOVEPOKER929 · #7 09-18-2007, 12:17 AM

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I play alot against you Mntbikr, and I know one thing...If you bet the turn in that spot Joop should fold cuz he will be drawing dead every time. If I bet the turn in that spot Joop should fold also.

CardSharpCook · #8 09-19-2007, 05:33 AM

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I play alot against you Mntbikr, and I know one thing...If you bet the turn in that spot Joop should fold cuz he will be drawing dead every time. If I bet the turn in that spot Joop should fold also.

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I don't think so, Westley. If I'm the BB, and I know you're a thinknig player, I also know that you might be Iso-raising a bunch of hands on this flop. Hands as poor as AQ. Why? because the big fish just gave you a big gift. So I come up with this wild and crazy plan of calling two with my KT and then betting a non-ace turn. The turn comes and it isn't an ace, so I bet. I know you're not going to bet anymore, and I need to protect my king.

VernonH · #9 09-17-2007, 05:30 PM

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A longer pause could indicate him trying to figure out how to play TPNK there

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If villain had TPNK wouldnt this be a decision between raising and folding?

JDalla · #10 09-17-2007, 05:50 PM

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A longer pause could indicate him trying to figure out how to play TPNK there

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If villain had TPNK wouldnt this be a decision between raising and folding?

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I think folding is out of the question with TP on the flop in limit (with some rare exeptions). I'd say raise > call and donk turn > fold with TPNK here.