The 3/10/30 rule

[SS810]

The post i am about to type is relevant to the first article in full tilts tournament strategy book by howard lederer. It deals with the concept of leverage and MTT's.

It goes like this, the concept of leverage implies that in order to make a raise of 3 times the big blind, you must have 10 times the big blind in your stack. Also, in order to make a raise over top of the 3x raise, you must have 30x the bb.

This whole idea factors into how I just played this hand in a sng im playing as i type this. I unfortunately still can't get the convertor to work http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php It keeps telling me "This is not a recognized hand history format." when i copy and paste the text into the input and hit the button. So again I'm gonna have to put it in raw.

The villian in this hand is a lose player playing 33% of his hands but only raising 8% of them (this is on 18 hands)

Full Tilt Poker Game #4057038264: $24 + $2 Sit & Go (30832732), Table 3 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:05:37 ET - 2007/11/03
Seat 1: ihtbombs30 (1,255)
Seat 2: kiwi dave (3,615)
Seat 3: jkphk (2,370)
Seat 4: blue2525 (2,070)
Seat 5: vinibr (1,480)
Seat 6: northstar2077 (1,555)
Seat 7: btkid23 (1,980)
Seat 8: nonyac (875)
Seat 9: SmokeMorePot (1,865)
kiwi dave posts the small blind of 25
jkphk posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SmokeMorePot [Ts Td]
blue2525 folds
vinibr folds
northstar2077 folds
btkid23 raises to 175
nonyac folds

Call or raise?

I decided to raise to 550, as I had over 30x the bb and so did he. Both to define my hand and possibily get him to lay down his. He immediatly pushed allin when it came back to him and I folded in about 7 seconds. I wonder if a call would of been better in this situation and perhaps i made the wrong play. But this whole leverage concept at least enabled me not to commit myself to the pot. Should I have played the hand differently? And what are your opinions on Mr.Lederer's rule?

[ssnyc]

rule is confusing...I think you reraised too high for 1010...flatting in position is best here...don't like committing so many chips and folding

[chasehas]

3-bet in position is not terrible, but IMHO, you've got to have a read that the villain is raiaing light. Also, 33/8 is not that loose, especially the PFR #'s.

BTW, Lederer's rule seems fairly common sense. If you have less than 10x BB, you're looking to push all-in to maximize FE. Not sure about the 30x part, though- that seems way too limiting.

[hamnegger]

i hate reraising if im folding to a shove.ive in effect denied myself a chance at setting and stacking. i don't like 3 betting 10's unless its all in or against a late pos raiser and im blind.

[Hattifnatt]

that chapter is GREAT, maybe the best individual chapter in a poker book I ever read and I have read LOTS of poker books. the rest of that book is great too.

[SS810]

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rule is confusing...I think you reraised too high for 1010...flatting in position is best here...don't like committing so many chips and folding

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Let me try to be a little more clear..

if someone opens for a raise of 3x the bb, you must have at least 30x the bb in your stack in order to make a leveraged reraise.

[Bond18]

There are exceptions to the rule. Some players call nominal reraises much looser than shoves, so if you have a big hand with 26 BB's you should just 3X reraise.

Also, this rule kind of eliminates the go and go, which is a very good tool IMO.

[mikeJ]

I believe flatcalling pre is more profitable than reraising, you can call on a fair # of flops and feel good about getting it in on just about any flop that gives you an overpair which will happen ~30% of the time.

[Striker]

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There are exceptions to the rule. Some players call nominal reraises much looser than shoves, so if you have a big hand with 26 BB's you should just 3X reraise.

Also, this rule kind of eliminates the go and go, which is a very good tool IMO.

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is the go and go a newer version of the stop and go, where you re-raise pf and shove any flop?

[levAA]

I think your main problem with this hand was not having a plan preflop.

Committing 1/3 of your stack and folding is not a good play imo. So if you decide to 3-bet 1/3 of your pot you have to know that you commit yourself to the hand. If you want to do so depends on the opponent you play.

As you don't have much of a read you put yourself into a bad decision with your reraise, which could have been avoided if you planned your hand correctly.

So if you think you will fold to a 4-bet with TT i think it's better to flat call in position and reorientate on the flop.


Striker,

Stop and go: preflop - call, flop - bet/push
Go and go: preflop - bet, flop - bet/push
- also remember that your position is important (in both you should be the first to act on the flop)