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Old 09-11-2007, 02:14 AM
arh1 arh1 is offline
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Default Re: 20/40 gross spot with overpair

Even the crazies pick up hands. Give it up once it gets capped on the flop. Your reverse implied odds at that point are exceedingly bad. Feel good that it only cost you 3 bets.
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Old 09-11-2007, 03:03 AM
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Default Re: 20/40 gross spot with overpair

Live games are generally passive. Foxwoods live game are generally super passive. Once it's two bets back to you, like Dicky V used to say, "Send it in, Mutombo!"
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Old 09-11-2007, 06:59 AM
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Default Re: 20/40 gross spot with overpair

i'm really leaning towards folding here.

given that you are against the two worst players at the table, with one gunning after you, i really don't think you should consider raising the turn UI if you decide to proceed with the hand.

with this kind of action, i really believe the optimal line after folding is c/c the turn as popping it up will only proceed you to get 3bet by a better hand and called down by everything else. Anyone with a-k + bd flush draw (is what i put one of them on) is peeling all the way, and I just can't see that you are ahead that much of the time for the other part of their range for this to be profitable.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:19 AM
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Default Re: 20/40 gross spot with overpair

Fold in this spot. You're facing an overpair, both of these guys aren't jamming with just overcards with this board.
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:32 PM
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Default Re: 20/40 gross spot with overpair

absolutely zero chance that you have both opponents beat insta muck
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:46 PM
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Default Re: 20/40 gross spot with overpair

ditto!
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:57 PM
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seat 1 is mad at me because of a previous hand where i raised k[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]j[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] first in in mp, all folded, he calls in bb, flop q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]t[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and we went 7 bets on the flop, and i hit a king on the turn and a flush on the river and he flashed red aces.

NICE
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:31 PM
Diana Ross Fan Diana Ross Fan is offline
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Default Re: 20/40 gross spot with overpair

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absolutely zero chance that you have both opponents beat insta muck

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Oh there's a chance, we're just not sure it's worth it. I wouldn't be suprised if the LAG has some kind of nine.
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:26 AM
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Default Re: 20/40 gross spot with overpair

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absolutely zero chance that you have both opponents beat insta muck

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There's a chance that he's against a 9 and two overcards. The problem is he's going to have to pay a lot to get to the river, and even if his hand is good on the flop, there are four overcards that can create problems before the river. I'd lean toward folding the flop, but I might peel one off and hope to improve or to see if the action slows down.
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