Yucky spot in the stars $150K

[RandALLin]

PokerStars Game #9951242284: Tournament #50186243, $300+$20 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/05/16 - 21:28:33 (ET)
Table '50186243 88' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: RandALLin (2720 in chips)
Seat 2: -db- (2305 in chips)
Seat 3: dan98 (5155 in chips)
Seat 4: fitzsem (1080 in chips)
Seat 5: faithless (3090 in chips)
Seat 6: bbbbb33 (2820 in chips)
Seat 7: BrunoCarrico (1750 in chips)
Seat 8: skpster75 (2090 in chips)
Seat 9: Omnipotent (1560 in chips)
BrunoCarrico: posts small blind 15
skpster75: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RandALLin [Qc Qh]
Omnipotent: folds
RandALLin: raises 60 to 90
-db-: calls 90
dan98: folds
fitzsem: folds
faithless: folds
bbbbb33: calls 90
BrunoCarrico: raises 300 to 390
skpster75: folds
RandALLin: calls 300
-db-: folds
bbbbb33: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [Jd 3c 8h]
BrunoCarrico: bets 600
RandALLin:

I will respond later, just don't wanna swing opinions one way or the other right off the bat.

[RandALLin]

i guess no one cares, whatever. I guess we shouldn't have a hsmtt forum.

[grafyx]

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i guess no one cares, whatever. I guess we shouldn't have a hsmtt forum.

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I care randy.

Really tough spot.

Raising seems like spew to me, but I don't think I'm ready to fold yet. I guess I call and see what button does and what happens on the turn. If button calls and sb fires turn again, I'm def done unless it's a Q.

[NHFunkii]

call. their ranges aren't narrow enough to fold. fold to more heat generally.

[NoahSD]

I call and fold to a turn bet. This is def a gross spot, though.

[0evg0]

is villain somebody i should recognize?

and funki, weren't you the one making such a big point about randoms not 3betting in position light at all?

i really think this is far more on the fold side

[NHFunkii]

I dunno if I was, but...
1. it's a squeeze situation, which I think widens the range
2. light or not, he still probably cbets AK here, and he could also have AJ or whatever
plus you might hit a Q!!!

[yellowdoyle]

Gobbo made the post about 3 betting. I am tempted to fold this hand now, or perhaps call and hope for a "safe" turn. The fact that the guy is leading out in a multiway pot and has already put half his stack in might lead me to fold on the flop. I would still feel bad though.

[0evg0]

my bad. thought the 3bet was from button, much closer now.

[nath]

um I guess call, but I'm not really crazy about it

Of course, I'm the guy who usually 4-bets PF and calls a 5-bet, so don't listen to me