(114) QTs early top pair

schwza · #1 05-09-2006, 06:39 PM

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1400)
MP1 (t1080)
MP2 (t1560)
CO (t1670)
Hero (t1490)
SB (t3320)
BB (t1480)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t20, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero calls t20, SB calls t10, BB checks

Flop: (t80) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t60, SB calls t60, BB calls t60, MP1 folds

Turn: (t260) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t260) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets t160, BB folds, Hero calls t160

bigballz · #2 05-09-2006, 06:41 PM

I'm betting the turn 100% of the time here.

gumpzilla · #3 05-09-2006, 06:43 PM

Seems pretty standard to me. The check on the turn is going to look weak to most and you'll not be given credit for as much hand as you have.

gumpzilla · #4 05-09-2006, 06:50 PM

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I don't like this. Building the pot in anticipation of backdooring the flush doesn't seem so good here because I think the implied odds are crappy. What pays us off on the river if we flush and bet hard into a sizable pot that doesn't take us off our hand right now if we bet? Not much, I don't think. And I'm not convinced we string JT along by betting. I'd much rather snap off the bluff here, because while my hand is pretty good I don't think I can call a raise.

bigballz · #5 05-09-2006, 06:54 PM

With TPGK and 14 river cards that will improve your hand, I really don't get fancy here, and I would assume hands calling your flop bet are str8 draws, overcards, worse pairs, and smaller T's, all of which I don't mind making them pay to see a river, especially in position.

ryanghall · #6 05-09-2006, 06:55 PM

I really like betting the turn here, as well, so it must be wrong.

Pudge714 · #7 05-09-2006, 06:55 PM

I am betting this turn as well.

gumpzilla · #8 05-09-2006, 06:59 PM

How many of you guys are betting without the backdoor draw, out of curiosity?

Pudge714 · #9 05-09-2006, 07:01 PM

I defintley check the turn more frequently with no backdoor draw. I lean towards turn check with no backdoor draw.

ryanghall · #10 05-09-2006, 07:01 PM

I probably wouldn't.

Ryan