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Old 09-19-2007, 06:49 PM
Superfluous Man Superfluous Man is offline
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

I'm not hating a shove here either...provided it's preceded by you checking and him betting.
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Old 09-19-2007, 06:54 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

Shoving 25k effective into a 6700 pot is an "interesting" post from an "interesting poster"

You should definitely just shove, betgo
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Old 09-19-2007, 07:19 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

My problem is that my hand is ahead on this flop versus a range of top 10% hands, and even versus top 5% hands; but I think villain's flat calling range is heavily weighted towards 66-JJ, and those hands have us crushed.
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Old 09-19-2007, 07:28 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

He's gotta have specifically 77-TT or TJ to make this practically a snap call. I think 66 would definitely fold here. AKh or AQh might think about it and say F it but even then we're still ahead. So like I said, we're not EXPECTING a call. We're forcing him to have those exact hands. This is what aggressive bubble play is all about basically, forcing your opponent to have a hand.
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:43 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

Yeh, I think the push may be the best play, given the bubble. Problem is you are a 5-1 dog to 77-99 and a 2-1 dog to TT-JJ. Those hands are pretty much always calling and that is a large part of his range.

I don't like a checkraise allin, because when villain bets he usually has something here, and he is going to be pot committed to call. When you are ahead, he usually doesn't bet.

I really don't like cbet/fold or check/fold either.
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:18 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

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Shoving 25k effective into a 6700 pot is an "interesting" post from an "interesting poster"



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You know bubble play is different than other stages, right?
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

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Shoving 25k effective into a 6700 pot is an "interesting" post from an "interesting poster"



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You know bubble play is different than other stages, right?

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apparantly not ! [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:23 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

Open-shoving flop is awful by the way

In case people haven't followed the sarcasm
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:25 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

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Shoving 25k effective into a 6700 pot is an "interesting" post from an "interesting poster"



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You know bubble play is different than other stages, right?

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apparantly not ! [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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That's OK. Betgo and others explained it a little bit.

Hope you catch up soon. Good luck.
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:26 PM
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Default Re: Stealing UTG on the bubble and catch pieces of connected flop

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Shoving 25k effective into a 6700 pot is an "interesting" post from an "interesting poster"



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You know bubble play is different than other stages, right?

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apparantly not ! [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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That's OK. Betgo and others explained it a little bit.

Hope you catch up soon. Good luck.

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el oh el
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