PokerRoom refuses to cashout US player

[brendanb438]

Seeing that old dude is member #72 on this site I really doubt it is someone acting like they rep pokerroom.com. I mean really check his posts over the years.

My question to this whole family of sites that all started to go to hell well before the US issues with Futurebet payment processors is why in the hell can any other site still get their players in the US cashouts? To say you have no way to do it is ludacris. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Really though if all the shady non-futurebet sportsbooks can get us our money, if Bodog can ship us our money from made up company via check, or by Western Union via random 3rd world country why can't you guys? My #1 guess is that since you no longer make money from US players than why try to jump through any hoops to get us our money back.

Too bad Calvin Ayres doesn't buyout your site. For all the hate people show to him here this man is amazing for US players.

This man tells the US gov to go and fccuk itself multiple times. Loses his domain to a US court ruling and everyone thinks he is gonna pay millions to get it back. Nope the US courts can also go and fccuk themselves, he just makes a new domain. This is all after the fact that he was buying US players accounts from multiple sportsbooks who quit doing biz in the US including BetWWTS where are money was frozen for 8 weeks. He lets us transfer it to Bodog with a 10% bonus on top and ZERO playthrough.

Man is a god in this industry.

-Brendan

[MiltonFriedman]

Say this for BoDog: When the US sh*t hit the fan for Calvin a couple of years ago around the WSOP, they stepped up and made whole those folks who were collaterally damaged ....... No fuss, No questions; they just paid their damages/refunds AND STILL threw a nice party at the Wynn.

Cashouts ARE difficult for US players sometimes, but it IS possible AND a site's responsibility.

[CardSharpCook]

Day 10,

Still no response to my PM to the mod on the "pokah" forum. I'm going to take a risk and let you all in on a little secret: I was able to transfer $500 to a fellow 2p2er for funds on Stars. If they don't stop me from doing this, I can do this once a month. I CAN HAVE MY MONEY OUT BY JUNE!!!!!! WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!! (less 3% for the guy helping me out, of course)

[DeadMoneyDad]

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Day 10,

Still no response to my PM to the mod on the "pokah" forum. I'm going to take a risk and let you all in on a little secret: I was able to transfer $500 to a fellow 2p2er for funds on Stars. If they don't stop me from doing this, I can do this once a month. I CAN HAVE MY MONEY OUT BY JUNE!!!!!! WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!! (less 3% for the guy helping me out, of course)

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Keep track of your "costs" of doing business, if you itemize you should in theory be able to deduct the expenses.


D$D

[PokerRoom.com]

Hi,

For legitimate operators that respect US law and by extension the UIGEA there is no clear legal way to administer funds transfers in US dollars to former players. If there were, all of our cash out options would still be available to our former US players.

The fact facing PokerRoom is that even though we chose to respect the UIGEA and closed real money operations to players in the USA any attempts now to move funds to the USA from PokerRoom are now blocked. A blacklist is in effect against all online gaming companies. As part of a publicly traded company we at PokerRoom are of course bound to respect the law presently in effect in all countries. The legal situation in effect in the United States, though regrettable, is a reality that we respect.

We cannot facilitate transactions to the USA legally using any of the options we have available on the PokerRoom site. Hence, one year after we closed operations to real money players from the USA, we have very limited options available to us in helping former players from the USA to get back any funds that remain on their PokerRoom accounts.

I am personally working with the poster to try and resolve the issue he has with trapped funds.

Best Regards
Lee

PokerRoom.com

[Skallagrim]

The above post by Pokerroom contains a lot of BS. I used to play there and liked the site, I never will again.

Any suggestion that they would be breaking a law by sending an american money in their account is completely wrong as far as legality (as opposed to practicality or expense) is concerned.

They may not be able to get a US processor for funds, true.

But look at it this way: I have friends in Denmark. Sometimes we do business for each other. When we owe each other money we write each other checks drawn on our home accounts. I take the check to my US bank and deposit it. It takes forever to clear and there is a currency exchange loss, but it clears.

There is absolutely no legal reason Pokerroom could not do the same. None. Zero.

Skallagrim

[CardSharpCook]

Skall, I agree with you completely. Like many in this forum, I've done my best to keep current with legality issues with our game (and all online "gambling"). I do not understand what law POkerRoom feels they would be breaking. UIGEA does not touch on transfers FROM a poker site. However, I finally got a PM response from the PokerRoom official that posts here, and for the first time, I feel that PokerRoom MIGHT actually be trying to get me my money back. I will keep you all informed.

[TruePoker CEO]

Hi, Lee,

You wrote : "For legitimate operators that respect US law and by extension the UIGEA there is no clear legal way to administer funds transfers in US dollars to former players."

That is complete and utter nonsense. Your ignorance is exceeded only by your arrogance in insulting US players and poker companys that serve them.

That short-term charade of a "missed" window of opportunity for US players to get their money back gives lie to your assertion that somehow sending a cashout to a poker player violates US law. If you were permitted to do it then, post-UIGEA, you could do so now.

Only a deadbeat "operator" does not pay players it owes money to. Send the man his money, you should be ashamed of yourself.

You write: "We have very limited options available to us in helping former players from the USA to get back any funds that remain on their PokerRoom accounts."

Write him a check, send him a wire transfer, send him a Western Union or whatever for his cashout. If you need help in figuring out how to do it, ask Western Union or any Bank that does US dollar transactions.

Best regards,

TruePoker CEO

[whangarei]

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That short-term charade of a "missed" window of opportunity for US players to get their money back gives lie to your assertion that somehow sending a cashout to a poker player violates US law. If you were permitted to do it then, post-UIGEA, you could do so now.

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Excellent point.

[FreeBeer]

This discussion interests me greatly, as I have >$5000 on Paradise Poker and they refuse to pay me, claiming they have method of paying a US player. They also claim they are working on getting me paid, but as this has gone on for months, and ALL correspondence has been initiated by me, well, I am discouraged to say the least.

I have offered a transfer to a non-US player. I have offered Western Union. I have offered to go to their offices in person and pick up cash or a cashier's check. All refused.

TruePoker CEO says I am being lied to. PokerRoom guy says this normal operating procedure. I am confused.

I understand Paradise might be afraid to make a US payment because of their affiliation with a sportsbook. But can they be serious about the danger of paying me by cashier's check in their own office?

I certainly feel cheated at this point. If anyone has any suggestions or strategy for me getting paid, I am all ears (and eyes).