Mid PP vs. habitual floater

[jc1418]

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villain floats alot of freakin flops
I have been ultra aggressive pre and postflop for about an hour

Villain (UTG) 120
Hero (BB) 170

Hero dealt 8c8s

villain limps, all folds to me in BB, Hero raises to 5, villain calls

flop Ks 6s 2h
pot 10.5
hero ???

I am misplaying habitual floaters for sure, do I lead and give up, bet two streets and check? This guy will bet air on the river if checked to. Should I just check/fold the flop here? Also when I hit top pair or overpair on a low board vs habitual floater I usually go for 3 streets of value. Bet flop and turn crai is more optimal line right?

[pineapple888]

Uh, what are you asking?

Start by betting of course. Then play some pokah. There are lots of options.

[tubasteve]

oye. i know there has to be a good line here but I can't think of one. if villain floats a lot i might not even raise preflop, but that seems kinda weak-tight.

[tubasteve]

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Start by betting of course.

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the fact that you assume leading is our only flop option is bad

[jc1418]

He will most definitely call 2 streets and bet ther river if checked to, think abou thow ugly the board cud get by the river, some more paint and spades. You just gonna block the river to an A or couple spades? Seems very costly to me. I think I am going to start check folding this hand to these guys and just [censored] em when I have top pair or better. These gusy really piss me off

[jc1418]

I agree Tuba, ive realized recently that I lose alot of big pots with mid pp's to these guys. I don't like checking pf, altho I'm not sure its horrible. TBH I don't mind check folding the flop here. Players like this will bet 2 streets if checked to, so I think ur just donating money to him when you c/c to see what he does on the turn. I still like raising pre in the even that I hit a set, or the board hits all low cards, then I will lead and crai turn on a safe card

[pineapple888]

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Start by betting of course.

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the fact that you assume leading is our only flop option is bad

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What's bad is the fact that you don't recognize why leading the flop is good.

But since the OP is off on some rant about check/folding, I'm afraid I'm done here. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[jc1418]

I actually lead the flop, the turn, then blocked the river when an A hit, and realized, wow this is a big [censored] pot thats kinda unecessary vs this type of player. Believe me I would lead this in an instant vs most other opponents. I'd like to hear more comments pineapple, I think we shud rethink leading any flop with an over vs. habitual floaters as well as our lines vs them when we hit a large hand.

I got this idea from luegofuego's well, he mentioned check folding flops like this vs. guys that float alot

[tubasteve]

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Start by betting of course.

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the fact that you assume leading is our only flop option is bad

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What's bad is the fact that you don't recognize why leading the flop is good.

But since the OP is off on some rant about check/folding, I'm afraid I'm done here. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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how is it automatically good to lead the flop? and i didnt say leading the flop is bad, i just think its wrong to assume its our only option. do you really wanna have to make tough decisions later in the hand after youve inflated the pot OOP vs a habitual floater?

[billybeartku]

just a personal thoughts, correct me if it's a leak.
When playing against a habitual floater, I'd usually cbet flop as i usually did, and c/r on the turn if he bets after i checked. It's been working out pretty well so far.