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Old 10-17-2007, 01:08 PM
alex-star alex-star is offline
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Default FTP $24 - AQs is the nuts here?

What do you make of this min-raise here? Is it always a monster? Do we flat call? Button was about 20/7 over 500 hands.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400
3 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Button: t5310
Hero: t7320
BB: t870 SITTING OUT!

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Button raises to t800</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in t7320</font>
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:16 PM
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Default Re: FTP $24 - AQs is the nuts here?

Super easy shove.
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:26 PM
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Default Re: FTP $24 - AQs is the nuts here?

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What do you make of this min-raise here? Is it always a monster? Do we flat call? Button was about 20/7 over 500 hands.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400
3 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Button: t5310
Hero: t7320
BB: t870 SITTING OUT!

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Button raises to t800</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in t7320</font>

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I don't play at $24s (yet), but I can't see pushing AI with the BB sitting out here, as nitty as that is ... If he was stealing, wouldn't he raise more (a min raise here is probably a steal about 1/3 of the time?) ??? Flat call, bet 2/3 the pot on any flop, fold to any pressure, and wait for the BB to bust ... At least, that's what I'd do ... If you're the button, how would you have played a monster versus a steal ???

Heads up, stacks are close enough that this strategy still gives you plenty of chips if you have to fold post-flop (~5000) ... I just can't see giving up almost one full buy-in (3rd to 2nd) hoping it's a steal ... If it's a steal, odds are you win it on the flop ... If it's a monster, you're out ... ICM probably disagrees, but with BB sitting an sooo short stacked, I'm just not going to give up that equity ...
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:33 PM
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Default Re: FTP $24 - AQs is the nuts here?

OP is the chip leader, he's not in second.

This is an easy push.
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:34 PM
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Default Re: FTP $24 - AQs is the nuts here?

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I don't play at $24s (yet), but I can't see pushing AI with the BB sitting out here, as nitty as that is ... If he was stealing, wouldn't he raise more (a min raise here is probably a steal about 1/3 of the time?) ??? Flat call, bet 2/3 the pot on any flop, fold to any pressure, and wait for the BB to bust ... At least, that's what I'd do ... If you're the button, how would you have played a monster versus a steal ???

Heads up, stacks are close enough that this strategy still gives you plenty of chips if you have to fold post-flop (~5000) ... I just can't see giving up almost one full buy-in (3rd to 2nd) hoping it's a steal ... If it's a steal, odds are you win it on the flop ... If it's a monster, you're out ... ICM probably disagrees, but with BB sitting an sooo short stacked, I'm just not going to give up that equity ...

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If you call and raise flop he can now go all-in with anything and you have to fold, well almost anything. As played its un-exploitable.
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:38 PM
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Default Re: FTP $24 - AQs is the nuts here?

Easy push. Button would be stupid to call with anything less than QQ+ here, but he's likely raising much wider.
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:39 PM
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Default Re: FTP $24 - AQs is the nuts here?

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OP is the chip leader, he's not in second.

This is an easy push.

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Geez ... Sometimes I just miss something so obvious ... Still has 2110 if loses, so yeah that changes things ... Easy push ICM-wise ... My apologies (although I might still stop-n-go here getting 4s-9s to fold post flop) ...
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Old 10-17-2007, 02:09 PM
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Default Re: FTP $24 - AQs is the nuts here?

even with a raise that does not put the shortie all-in?
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Old 10-18-2007, 12:14 AM
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Default Re: FTP $24 - AQs is the nuts here?

Easy PUSH
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Old 10-19-2007, 12:04 AM
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Default Re: FTP $24 - AQs is the nuts here?

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even with a raise that does not put the shortie all-in?

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Especially with a raise that does not put the shortie all-in. Give it a think.
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