(value) bet this turn?

[marchron]

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i'm not sure if the rest of you are levelling me or have never played live poker

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QFMFT. When (if) you play live you will "profile" opponents based on their mannerisms, hairstyles, fashion, etc. etc., so it's not "wrong" to profile by race.

Unless, of course, you refuse to change said profile even if a certain opponent doesn't fit it.

[maverickai]

grunch...

bet, and call a check raise. You've got 9 outs to a nut flush, and will get crying calls on the river cos pot's big.

[tyler_cracker]

mild hijack of my own thread imminent:

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i'm not sure if the rest of you are levelling me or have never played live poker

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QFMFT. When (if) you play live you will "profile" opponents based on their mannerisms, hairstyles, fashion, etc. etc., so it's not "wrong" to profile by race.


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it's not just poker, either. someone stops you in the street to ask for directions. you will know, with 99% confidence, in the first three seconds of that conversation if you are speaking with a local (in which case you give one set of directions) or a domestic tourist (in which case you give another set of directions) or a foreigner (in which case a third set). does this make you a racist? or are you just using all the information available (like a good poker player!) to provide the best solution?

anyway, this makes me a little testy because i'm such a slobbering fanboy of world culture. there is so much fear of "racism" that i can't even describe a person's obvious ethnic heritage without drawing penalty flags[**]. besides, i sat -- stoically -- through waaaay too many n*gger jokes at Thanksgiving to have my racial ethics called into question.


[**] most non-americans may read this as "drawing yellow cards". aussies can read it as "blarging shimble banthers lolol" or whatever the [censored]. see how worldly and culturally sensitive i am?

[BadBigBabar]

also tyler i bet here fwiw

[bozlax]

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it's not just poker, either. someone stops you in the street to ask for directions. you will know, with 99% confidence, in the first three seconds of that conversation if you are speaking with a local (in which case you give one set of directions) or a domestic tourist (in which case you give another set of directions) or a foreigner (in which case a third set). does this make you a racist? or are you just using all the information available (like a good poker player!) to provide the best solution?

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Here's the problem I have, Tyler (and, fwiw, I have no [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for the current culture of offense, either): saying, "He's x," and expecting me to read, "ah, that means he's y at the poker table," is you expecting me to have the same experiences you do.** In other words, your asking us to critique your play without actually giving us a read.

Also, your example isn't really on-point. If you looked at a guy on the street and said, "Hmmm, he's wearing a t-shirt that says [something in German], he must not live around here I'd better not ask him for directions," that would be closer. Once you've spoken to him and realized that he's not a local, you've seen him play a hand and so you have a better read than just a default.

** fwiw, in my experience at Commerce/Bay101/SD Indian (sorry, non-immigrant Americans) casinos, the most likely worshipers of Gamblor are Latinos. Aisans are much more likely to be LP-TA. Middle Eastern/Eastern European players might as well be flinging chips onto the table with both hands.

[tyler_cracker]

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saying, "He's x," and expecting me to read, "ah, that means he's y at the poker table," is you expecting me to have the same experiences you do.** In other words, your asking us to critique your play without actually giving us a read.

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that's a valid argument, but i'm not sure what else i can do. if the facts i have on the player in question are "is asian", then that's all i have for a read and i provide it. would it really be better to just say "villain is unknown"?

obviously our experiences are going to be different. this is true whether we're talking about someone i have declared is a "LAG" or a so-called "weak TAG" or a "middle-aged asian guy". even though our experiences are quite different, surely we will come to an understanding faster by laying out all the facts than by constantly dealing with "unknown" villains.

[bozlax]

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that's a valid argument, but i'm not sure what else i can do. if the facts i have on the player in question are "is asian", then that's all i have for a read and i provide it. would it really be better to just say "villain is unknown"?

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This was my point in my initial response on the tangent, tho. The read, "asian," is either inappropriate (you're applying your experiences with Asian players, which may be different from mine) or irrelevant (you're just telling me his nationality, not how he plays).

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obviously our experiences are going to be different. this is true whether we're talking about someone i have declared is a "LAG" or a so-called "weak TAG" or a "middle-aged asian guy". even though our experiences are quite different, surely we will come to an understanding faster by laying out all the facts than by constantly dealing with "unknown" villains.

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Our experiences are different which is why we use terms like LAG, which we have developed a pretty standardized definition for. Just try posting "MP3 was a TAG: 38/23/0.2" as a read and see what the responses are.