32 outs

BadBenOni · #1 11-14-2007, 06:21 AM

***** Hand History for Game 6499461639 *****
$400 USD PL Omaha - Tuesday, November 13, 15:17:55 ET 2007
Table Table 126445 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: gatedr46 ( $111.60 USD )
Seat 5: luckyrokie ( $999.22 USD )
Seat 1: BadBenOni ( $399.70 USD )
Seat 10: PorsheNick ( $543 USD )
Seat 2: Amstdam_Brit ( $162.60 USD )
Seat 7: plaza12 ( $206.05 USD )
Seat 3: GodJul222 ( $62 USD )
Seat 9: xxxlev ( $378.50 USD )
Seat 6: EISENHUT_999 ( $400 USD )
Seat 8: Mejse70 ( $415 USD )
Mejse70 posts small blind [$2 USD].
xxxlev posts big blind [$4 USD].
EISENHUT_999 posts big blind [$4 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BadBenOni [ 7h Kd Ad 6h ]
PorsheNick folds
BadBenOni calls [$4 USD]
Amstdam_Brit folds
GodJul222 calls [$4 USD]
gatedr46 calls [$4 USD]
EISENHUT_999 checks
plaza12 calls [$4 USD]
Mejse70 folds
xxxlev raises [$8 USD]
BadBenOni calls [$8 USD]
GodJul222 calls [$8 USD]
gatedr46 calls [$8 USD]
EISENHUT_999 calls [$8 USD]
plaza12 calls [$8 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 5d, 9h ]
xxxlev checks
BadBenOni bets [$71 USD]
GodJul222 folds
gatedr46 folds
EISENHUT_999 calls [$71 USD]
plaza12 is all-In [$194.05 USD]
xxxlev folds
BadBenOni raises [$246.10 USD]
EISENHUT_999 is all-In [$317 USD]
BadBenOni is all-In [$70.60 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2h ]
BadBenOni shows [ 7h, Kd, Ad, 6h ]a flush, Ace high.
EISENHUT_999 shows [ 9s, 7s, Qd, Td ]a pair of Nines.
plaza12 doesn't show [ 6c, 5c, 7d, 9c ]two pairs, Nines and Fives.
EISENHUT_999 wins $0.30 USD from side pot #2 with a pair of Nines.
BadBenOni wins $387.30 USD from side pot #1 with a flush, Ace high.
BadBenOni wins $653.15 USD from the main pot with a flush, Ace high.

Couldnt get this to work with a converter,
tried
http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/
http://www.handconverter.com/hhconverter.cgi
but neither got it.

But I thought I would post it anyway as its such a great Omaha hand.
The play is fairly standard,
I think Plaza should just call the flop and Eisen should fold the reraise but thats their problem.

But the reason I think its so great is I have 32 outs on the turn,

Any diamond 9
Any Heart 9
Any A 2
Any K 2
any 8 2
Any 7 2
any 6 2
any 4 2
any 3 2

32 outs !!

even if you take away the 5 outs they have in their hands thats still 27 outs with 36 cards unseen.

a draw with 27 outs against 2 players,
can anyone beat that in a real hand played this month ?

TimberBee · #2 11-14-2007, 06:27 AM

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $543
Hero: $399.70
MP1: $162.60
MP2: $62
MP3: $111.60
CO: $400
Button: $206.05
SB: $415
BB: $378.50

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB folds, SB folds, BB raises to $12, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($74, 6 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $71, 2 folds, CO calls, Button raises all-in $194.05, BB folds, Hero raises to $317.1, CO calls all-in $317, Hero calls all-in $70.6.
Uncalled bets: $0.3 returned to CO.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($849.8, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $656.15, Sidepot 1: $387.3)

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($849.8, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $656.15, Sidepot 1: $387.3)

Results:
Final pot: $849.8
Hero shows 7h Kd Ad 6h 
CO shows 9s 7s Qd Td 
Button doesn't show 6c 5c 7d 9c

Zefa · #3 11-14-2007, 06:28 AM

I once flopped quads and had the rest of the deck as my outs.

Kala1928 · #4 11-14-2007, 06:58 AM

We played a live hand yesterday where two people got it in for an ok sized pot on a

5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

flop

other one held 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]x with no redraw
other one held T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for a nice 75% equity vs flopped nuts
turn was K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and we went bonkers thinking how many outs he had.

RoundTower · #5 11-14-2007, 08:43 AM

low content thread?

Hi RoundTower - I'm going to post my reply here, rather than making a separate post that would move this to the front of the forum.

I don't mean this as a criticism of you at all. I appreciate your point of view. Here is mine:

The thread is here now. Once somebody starts a thread, I don't know of any way to move it into the low content thread. As far as I know, I can only delete a thread, lock it, or move it into another forum.

And in truth, I prefer this topic to have a separate thread. It does have some theoretical content in that it involves a consideration of outs. That may be elementary for someone with as much experience and expertise as you, but it might be right on the button for someone who is just starting to learn the game.

The other thing is separate threads gradually are pushed back by new threads. However, the low content thread keeps coming back and back and back, and finally takes up most of the first page almost every time we log onto this forum. Not a big deal, because we scroll down until the color changes before we start reading, but some of the stuff in the low content thread is interesting to us and the material in this thread would continually take up several inches of vertical space on our monitors. Taken for everyone who reads this forum, that's a big waste of scrolling time over a month. Much better if this thread simply moves on when people are finished with it.

That's just my opinion. Thus I don't mind a separate thread for this topic at all.

When I read your comment, it made me wonder if I should have done something about this thread, or if I should do something about this thread (or any other thread where I read that type of comment) - but in my judgment this thread simply doesn't merit any of the actions (that I know of) that are available to me.

Buzz

BadBenOni · #6 11-14-2007, 09:01 AM

Thanks, is there a trick I missed ?
when I tried it all the stack sizes were wrong.

btw its only 25 outs as 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] give button a house.

wazz · #7 11-14-2007, 09:06 AM

You only have 8 direct outs on the flop, 16 on the turn. Work it out.

And

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low content thread?

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There's a reason we have one of these.

Troll_Inc · #8 11-14-2007, 09:09 AM

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But he had 32!!! Outs.

ThomasSly · #9 11-19-2007, 01:03 AM

That's one funny post, people always amaze me with their "outs" how can you have 32 cards in the deck that help you? even if in reality it's 25, but anyway the first thing that you need to do is to count the card who are left in the deck (which is 8 cards after the flop) because 44 cards are already dealt, so stop dreaming about your imaginary outs, because they are most likely dealt & dead.

If you want to make money playing omaha, play 6 handed, never, but never a 9 or 10 handed game.

chucky · #10 11-19-2007, 01:35 AM

Um the thing is hero only knows 7 cards for sure on the flop. By putting an opponent on a range, hero may be able to add between 2 and 4 more "known" cards to his calculations. So, while only a few cards are left in the deck the cards left in the deck are wide in theoretical range. Or do you just fold all straight or flush draws since only 8 cards are left in the deck so hero never has pot odds?