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Old 11-22-2007, 08:18 AM
ShipitFMA ShipitFMA is offline
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Default 50nl, I need exp with deep stack play

Okay, title says it all...I suck at deep stack play.

Okay, maybe its not that deep, but i always feel lost in spots like this vs a seemingly capabale opponant

Villian is 20 / 13 / 3.3 over 90 hands

What is your play here and reasoning behind it

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: $55.75
Hero (UTG): $107.30
MP: $30
CO: $86.10
BTN: $36.40
SB: $51.55

MP posts $0.50
Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, MP folds, CO calls $2.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($6.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.25</font>, CO calls $4.25

Turn: ($14.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ???????

I should probably add i bet like 11 in position and then re eval whether i bet the river or not (villian dependent)
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:20 AM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: 50nl, I need exp with deep stack play

Bet/fold 10ish something.
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:23 AM
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Default Re: 50nl, I need exp with deep stack play

dry board
deep
tag opponet

go for pot control
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Old 11-22-2007, 09:04 AM
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Default Re: 50nl, I need exp with deep stack play

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dry board
deep
tag opponet

go for pot control

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can we cc two streets? or do we cc turn cf river? I think a big part of checking here is that we hope he checks back
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Old 11-22-2007, 09:08 AM
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Default Re: 50nl, I need exp with deep stack play

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I would v-bet KQ, can't see a reason to believe I'm behind.

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as villain, I wouldn't v-bet the river with KQ after being two barreled. I would be happy to see the check on the river and would instacheckbehind. Is that too weak?
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Old 11-22-2007, 09:46 AM
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Default Re: 50nl, I need exp with deep stack play

I think turn check is best here although @ 1st I didn't like it (my default would be bet turn 10 c/c river). Checking gets another street of value when our line from preflop to turn is bet bet bet which means vilian may fold more of his range than usual given the hammer of future bets. he'll likely check and bet stuff we beat for 1 street. If checked through obv betting river almost always.

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Do you really think he would v-bet KQ? We have shown aggression. He can't think his hand is really good. I would checkbehind with KQ...

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IMO Checking behind (as villian) makes our hand transparent to a decent hand reader - think what OP would do to counter this and it makes sense.

If I was vilian I would bet/fold KQ here on turn- puts Hero in a tricky spot and abuses posn IMO - but obv this can be 'countered' by Hero's turn c/call and then the river gets interesting.
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:24 AM
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Default Re: 50nl, I need exp with deep stack play

yeah bet 8 to 10 $. If he calls, repeat on safe river ( about 20-25$).
If he raises your bet on the turn.... probably fold.
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:29 AM
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Default Re: 50nl, I need exp with deep stack play

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yeah bet 8 to 10 $. If he calls, repeat on safe river ( about 20-25$).
If he raises your bet on the turn.... probably fold.

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What do you actually think a capable player looks you up with here?
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:32 AM
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Default Re: 50nl, I need exp with deep stack play

No idea how too play this but it seems you have him on a monster so check fold?
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:34 AM
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No idea how too play this but it seems you have him on a monster so check fold?

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Please leave all your posts for BBV
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