NBA Defensive Rankings

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I'm just jacking this from 82games.com, but would like to discuss it here. It's pretty interesting how well these line up with how I view players from just watching the games.

Guys who score very well that I feel are undervalued by everyone....

Paul Millsap
RONDO
Trevor Ariza
BALKMAN IS A GOD LOL REMEMBER A YEAR AGO I PREDICTED THIS??
Eduarda Najera- guy plays insanely hard on every possession.


One huge thing. Guys like Garnett, LBJ, Duncan, and Marion are top defensive guys. Nash gets a VERY low rating. It's there for everyone to see. Let's see if we can keep MVP talk ouf of this.

A few things to note....don't get carried away with Houston and SA's ratings. All the credit goes to dominant big men and genius head coaches. Same goes for making it more impressive what guys like Rajon Rondo and Renaldo Balkman do on bad teams.

The big thing I'm interested to see is how people feel these rankings align with what they see. IMO this is the BEST defensive measure I have ever seen related to basketball.

For the Celtics, Gerald, Wally, and Sebastian were clearly the three worst defenders on the team from what I personally saw. They finished in the bottom four. Rondo and Tony Allen were the best defenders, and finished top two.

No real point to this thread, just wanted to show the link and open up some discussion here, and would like to here from people on their own teams that they see on a day-to-day basis.

[Dudd]

This what you were referring to?

http://82games.com/nichols1.htm

[kidcolin]

Wally!

[Vyse]

I think the box score component is the worst and really belittles the system as a whole.

By the way, you basically come off as saying you like the system just because it agrees with most of your preconceived notions...

[Victor]

donyell marshall is rated at 90. this stat is horrible.

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This what you were referring to?

http://82games.com/nichols1.htm

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thanks dude. will edit now.

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By the way, you basically come off as saying you like the system just because it agrees with most of your preconceived notions...

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Ya I know. It's very hard for basketball rating systems to do that. I've said numerous times on this forum that watching basketball is VERY important in player evaluation. Assani's recent post was a great example of that.

The fact that these numbers back up MUCH of what I've seen with my own eyes is pretty noteworthy IMO. Was wondering if it matched up with other teams.

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donyell marshall is rated at 90. this stat is horrible.

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I think it's because the Cavs are so good as a team defensively.

This stat is actually a lot more telling with respect to the fact that the guys who are rated <10 are notoriously horrible defenders.

[Artdogg]

A lot of players are wayyyyy off, dont feel like picking all of them out though. How many bonus points did Horry get for the hip check?

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For all the haters...

Please show me a better defensive metric. This is extremely complicated stuff to put numerically, and I'm impressed with this set of data.