50nl KK facing RR from blind

[Chargers In 07]

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The real question is, how much does his 44/22 stats (over ~40 hands) indicated what he'll call a 4-bet with? We sometimes get overly excited about villians who appear LAG and automatically assume he'll stack off light pre-flop (calling our push).

Certainly we are likely way ahead of his range here and maybe I just like to play with fire, but I generally believe that we're more likely to get his stack if we smoothcall and let him hang himself.

[/ QUOTE ]phew, thought i was the only one. I decided not to post after I saw all the "4 bet", "push" advice. Calling is very standard here IMO.

[SABR42]

Haha. I was originally going to say "call or min-raise him" but then I saw all the "shove you only lose to AA" posts and I'm like "sigh... you guys are missing the point lol."

[AllTheCheese]

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phew, thought i was the only one. I decided not to post after I saw all the "4 bet", "push" advice. Calling is very standard here IMO.

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lol, yeah me too. I was thinking "omg, do I totally suck @ this spot for value-calling?"

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Haha. I was originally going to say "call or min-raise him" but then I saw all the "shove you only lose to AA" posts and I'm like "sigh... you guys are missing the point lol."

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QFT

[coordi]

Id actually flat this and look to get it in on a non ace flop. Even if CO calls I think your pretty profitable in this situation.

[oober]

I thought about calling here, but I thought I would lose him on flop if an A didnt flop (obv I would hate that). I thought he would call with AA KK QQ JJ(maybe) and AK. If I take it down PF thats ok too.

The guy almost seemed tilty by his play even with the small sample I have seen from him.

[ship_it_trebek]

Plus you can get the CO to call if you flat here. Someone with those stats is most likely a moron, but that doesnt mean they are calling 4bets AI with A9o

[oober]

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Plus you can get the CO to call if you flat here. Someone with those stats is most likely a moron, but that doesnt mean they are calling 4bets AI with A9o

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Very true...

Question, now say I smooth call. I am facing a maniac type in the bb and a trailer (we will say unknown). SO 3 way flop comes with A, do we even Cbet this. Looking at a 20$ish CBet, or do we give up on hand?.

How often does an lag and an unknown NOT have an A here?

[AllTheCheese]

Just fold if the Ace comes.

[oober]

Thanks all, didn't think this hand would get that much discussion.

It's kind of funny, when I'm running good I think I call here and when running bad, I just poossh this, its seems when I'm not running well, an A always falls.

[SABR42]

If you call and the middle guy folds, I would never fold on any flop.