89O BOUTTON

[sebastien]

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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VILAIN is a 20/12/5.5 fold to bb steal 75 about 60hand



Pre-Flop:8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets</font>, Hero calls

Turn: (3.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets</font>, Hero calls

River: (5.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Results: 5.25 BB Pot (0.25 BB Rake)
Hero mucked 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Eights) and LOST (-2.5 BB NET)
BB showed A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a flush, Queen high) and WON 5 BB (+2.5 BB NET)

[Gib]

I might of raised flop, but as played it looks ok.

[goebbelboy]

Turn is close but looks like a fold. That card sucks.

[NinaWilliams]

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Turn is close but looks like a fold. That card sucks.

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[Underrated]

Why wouldnt you raise the flop here ?

[sharpie]

Don't post results bro. I don't see any benefit in raising the flop. I agree with others that fold the turn.

[jr4284]

Why is everyone so anti-raising the flop? People are donking this flop with a very wide range of hands at 1/2. Raising the flop gives us a great shot to fold out a hand with tons of outs on the turn (overs + gutshot, or in this case overs + FD), or even fold out a better 8.

Villain is a nit, so I like the line: flop raise, bet turn after he checks, intending on folding to a c/r, but expecting him to fold a lot of the time. A turn c/r here is rarely a bluff from this opponent on this board.

Just calling seems like a way to be scared into folding on a ton of turn cards when he can be on SO many draws.

Might be a leak, but I take the lead on this flop and bet almost all turns, folding to a c/r.

[sharpie]

I think a better hand is rarely folding when we raise the flop unless a really bad card for him falls. Folding out a 7 outer on the turn might seem like a good result, but most of the time he'll 3 barrel and we'd rather him do that in a pot of this size. I doubt he'd fold the hand he had when he picks up a FD if we raised the flop.

We're not going to be folding a ton of turn cards, this one is one of the worst ones that could've fell. This is a benefit to calling as we can use better judgement when the turn card falls, having initiative on these types of turns is going to be awkward.

[inferno]

I like

[Oink]

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Raising the flop gives us a great shot to fold out a hand with tons of outs on the turn (overs + gutshot, or in this case overs + FD), or even fold out a better 8.


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LOL? Those hands are never folding. Just call and let him barrel of those hands and prevent putting in too many bets when behind.

Stop raising flop donks with marginal hands HU!


Also, anyone who wants to fold the turn. Say to yourself 10 times after me

WHEN DONKS OR UNKNOWNS DONK THE TURN IT IS A DRAW ALMOST ALWAYS. I WILL NEVER FOLD A HAND WITH SD VALUE WHEN PEOPLE TAKE THAT LINE!!