Preflop AA or KK in the blinds

[TheStandman]

When you play at a weak table where a lot of people limp and when you raise they will all call. This is the case in a casino where I go usually.

The limits are 10-20 euro, and what should you do with KK or AA in the SB and BB if you are 100% sure you will not remove the first limper and because of that, all limpers will call.

They are all good enough to KNOW that you have AA or KK (or QQ or whatever you want to add in this position a position where you usually never want to raise so there is not a lot to add!) when you raise the SB or BB.

If you raise you will be playing against 7 or 8 limper who will call your raise for sure and 100% know your hand and the 2-pair hit will play back against you, the rest will fold or stay in with the odds.

The preflop raise will make the pot big enough for any HIT to stay in till the river, any straight draw, even with 4 outs it's good to stay in if you raise preflop because you raised.

The question is: do you raise here? Do you call in the SB and reraise if the big blind raises?

What is your play against such a table?

It's very bad poker, a lot of limpers and the person who hits something (middle pair for instance) will check and call a bet. Call the turn because of the odds, and will raise when he hits his 2 pair. And some players start to raise on the river with their 2 pair. And sometimes they bluff like they have 2 pair when they have absolutely nothing....

What is your plan with AA, KK?

Please discuss: Preflop, Flop, Turn, River

[Justin A]

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They are all good enough to KNOW that you have AA or KK

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When you play at a weak table where a lot of people limp and when you raise they will all call.

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This doesn't make sense.



Raise AA and KK every single time. It doesn't matter if they know what you have, because you have such a monster.

However, you should also be raising QQ, JJ, AK, AQs, KQs, KJs, KTs, QJs. So now when you raise they won't know that you have AA or KK, and if they think you do when you have one of the other hands, it works to your benefit.


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What is your plan with AA, KK?

Please discuss: Preflop, Flop, Turn, River

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Raise preflop, bet flop, bet turn, bet river. Plan may change if some bad cards come or there's excessive action. But betting all streets is pretty much the plan.

[d10]

Yeah they might hit 2pr, and then you might counterfeit that 2pr when the deuce on board pairs up, or hit a set. Put AA in any situation, good players/bad players, family pot/heads up, and it will win more often than any other hand, period.

Justin pretty much covered everything else.

[jkamowitz]

Raise and be happy when you scoop a monster pot with one pair on the river.

[AlanBostick]

Even if all eight players after the blinds limp in and the SB completes, you should raise. You're getting a major-league overlay for the money you put into the pot, even though you won't necessarily win most of the time.

[TheStandman]

The reason they will know that you have AA or KK in this situation was because there is one player at that table that says: "ohw a SB, BB raise, you are up against a monster"

I personally always raise here but I know people who prefer to call when there are 8 callers. They tell me that you give away so much information and you are so out of position. At this table the 2 pair will not even raise all the time and sometimes people limp with KK.

It's a very profitable table because I always play flush draws there.

I think it's a good idea to raise with the suited hands against all those limpers: all those hands: AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, AQs, KQs, KJs, KTs, QJs. The suited hands are worth a lot and I prefer raising with them but I don't always raise with KTs in the small blind at 10-20 when there are 2 or 3 limpers. The pot is unraised so you should call all those hands for sure, but I wouldn't always raise KTs here, probably 70% of the time depending on how strong the limpers are. Some players love to limp with big PP's or call with AK (I know it's a strange table :-)) so against such players I prefer calling those hands. Even if they call with AT.

[thirddan]

"I know people who prefer to call when there are 8 callers. They tell me that you give away so much information and you are so out of position."

"they" are wrong...

[Bill King]

here's whats going to happen, and heres what im going to tell you that i was VERY confused about not too long ago until my friend Jkamowitz enlightened my very hazy poker world.

raise every time 100%.

yes, you wont have a good win rate, but when the flop comes AXX and you scoop a tasty $1000 pot, you'll pat yourself on the back for building such a massive pot. because you're going to get a return of a lot more bets than you invest to losing hands in the long run, but sometimes it doesnt feel that way when 86off hits for 5 months straight.

just remember this: raisy daisy

[ACPlayer]

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"I know people who prefer to call when there are 8 callers. They tell me that you give away so much information and you are so out of position."

"they" are wrong...

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But of course, nod your head and tell them that they are sooooooo smart, preserving your implied odds when holding 77.

[d10]

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"I know people who prefer to call when there are 8 callers. They tell me that you give away so much information and you are so out of position."

"they" are wrong...

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Sounds accurate to me, "they" are just forgetting the most important thing you're giving up by not raising, your opponents money.