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Old 11-24-2007, 02:35 PM
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Default ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot

Villain is nvestr21, probably a somewhat losing player. His stats preflop are, I dunno, 20/5 or something after 75 hands or so. I have a feeling I'm gonna get berated for limping AQ here UTG; I'd like some opinions on it anyway. Is postflop OK? I'm not sure what to really put him on that beats me here other than 44 and maybe 99. Anyone push flop? Fold flop? Fold turn? Blech.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t2495)
UTG+1 (t2700)
MP1 (t2810)
MP2 (t2190)
MP3 (t3745)
CO (t3810)
Button (t2695)
SB (t3005)
BB (t3480)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero calls t30, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, MP2 calls t30, MP3 calls t30, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, BB checks

Flop: (t195) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t120</font>, MP2 calls t120, <font color="red">MP3 raises to t456</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, Hero calls t336, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>

Turn: (t1227) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP3 bets t820</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t2009 (All-in)</font>
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Old 11-24-2007, 02:39 PM
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Default Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot

Preflop, I like to raise AQo UTG with these blinds, and fold to a reraise.
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:09 PM
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Default Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot

I pretty much auto make it 90 preflop. When you get the money in, in this fashion, I think your equity is going to be pretty bad. MP3 is raising through CO, Button and BB
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:15 PM
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Default Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot

I would raise preflop. As played I guess you lose to 99 and 44 maybe Q9s he will raises with 99 some percent of the time I guess I get it in, but I'm not thrilled.
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:03 PM
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Default Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot

if you limp, vs. someone with these stats, snap fold the flop.
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:09 PM
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Default Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot

There's a time and place for everything in poker, except limping AQo UTG full-ring with these stacks. I'd have to have a super player dependent line to ever take that line. Like there has to be people who will raise you really wide and no one who's calling that raise because it's only 5% of their stack, for this ever to be a profitable situation. And those two conditions, a few people who will raise limpers super wide and very few who will call super wide, are pretty rare in level one of MTTs.
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Old 11-24-2007, 09:04 PM
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Default Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot

Yeh, I am an advocate of sometimes limping, but this is a really bad spot to limp.
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Old 11-24-2007, 09:08 PM
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Default Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot

You can call the flop but fold turn because he's prob peeliung a lot of draws
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Old 11-25-2007, 06:02 AM
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Default Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot

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Yeh, I am an advocate of sometimes limping, but this is a really bad spot to limp.

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What would be a good spot to limp with AQ if this isn't one?
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Old 11-25-2007, 10:09 AM
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Default Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot

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Yeh, I am an advocate of sometimes limping, but this is a really bad spot to limp.

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What would be a good spot to limp with AQ if this isn't one?

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I said there are reasonable spots to limp, not to limp AQ. You might limp AQ in early position with 17-40xBB. The idea would be to limpreraise, but you could fold depending on the action, and there might also be situations to limp/call. However, in general AQ is just not a good hand to open limp.

With reasonably deep money, raising AQo UTG works fairly well. QQ+ and AK usually reraise. So you generally are not dominated if you are called.

You don't get a lot of value raising AQ in early position , because when you hit, it is what people are expecting.

With the limp, what do you do if you are raised? All the alternatives are not very good. In a limped pot, you have a hand that makes ace high or TPTK/TPGK, which is not very profitable and tricky to play.
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