jimmy rollins NL MVP

[metsandfinsfan]

i will admit that realizing how low Rollin's OBP was does have me questioning whether he was the slam dunk candidate or not.

see i can admit things

[THAY3R]

Holliday was a great great fielder for his position.

Rollins was not very good.

Their positional value difference is still significant, it's just not as great as it would first appear.

[metsandfinsfan]

anyway

if utley didnt get hurt, you think he could have won it?

[Jeremy517]

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that doesnt explain the home/road disparities since they play these pitchers in both parks

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I wasn't using that to explain the road splits. What I meant was that he put up those overall numbers against the #1, #4, #5, and #6 teams in team ERA. If you want to factor in defense, you're looking at the #1, #3, #4, and #5 teams in terms of runs allowed.

The road splits are partially explained by the fact that three of the four other division teams play in pitchers parks.

[THAY3R]

On 2nd thought I'm probably a little wrong on that and probably exaggerating, but still.

[Mondogarage]

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All the NL MVP candidates dropped on the road. Fielder and Wright had their OPS drop by over 100 points.

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wrights and fielders were still over .900

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Of course Coors Field helped his stats some, but also consider that three of the road parks in his division are pitchers parks. Also, the four other teams in his division were #1, #4, #5, and #6 in team ERA in the NL.

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that doesnt explain the home/road disparities since they play these pitchers in both parks


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Of course it does (or, at least goes a way towards explaining). The Rockies play 81 games in their home park, and play a total of 27 road games in NL West pitchers' parks. So the Coors benefit to home OPS would not be completely offset by their road OPS in LA, SD, and San Francisco.

The corrollary is, non-Rockies get more help to their road OPS than Rockies players do.

[Mondogarage]

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anyway

if utley didnt get hurt, you think he could have won it?

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If Utley didn't get hurt, Utley probably should have won it. David Wright would have been a more deserving winner than Rollins, as well.

[Eagles]

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this isnt the best player award, it is the most valuable player award. THe idea is to win games, and a guy like Hanley on a team that didnt win a lot of games gets less consideration than a guy on a team that does

But i guess this doesnt answer your question does it. My ballot probably would have had Wright 2nd place behind Rollins -- mostly yes because the Phillies won the division. So i guess i am as dumb as the voters

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If Hanley hit 600 with an .800 OBP 200 HRs and 150 doubles would he deserve MVP if his team didn't win a lot of games?

[AbreuTime]

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Holliday was a great great fielder for his position.


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So Holliday played better defense than Bonds/Burrell/Lee/Dunn?!? Revelatory!

If Rollins/Wright even sniff the offensive production of a corner OF, they are probably more valuable to a team's success. A corner OF with 800 OPS is cheaper (and less valuable) than a SS with 800 OPS. If only there was a way to quantify the valuea cross positions...

[metsandfinsfan]

the dodgers offense is awful, and their home slugging pct was higher than the dodger road slugging pct.

the dodgers slugged better at home than on the road which kinda surprised me.

anyway im done arguing for a little bit