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11-21-2007, 09:22 AM
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Re: (39) AK too strong for a S&G?
i'm pushing preflop as well. he is not folding many pairs on the flop when he is ahead (i.e. no ace or king on board).
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#2
11-21-2007, 11:31 AM
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Re: (39) AK too strong for a S&G?
Ok, he's not folding PF to my shove. He will fold a certain percentage of hands post flop. My stack is going in regardless, so what's the difference?
I'm only worried about folding AQ/AJ, but will be glad when he folds 22-99(TT to the right flop). So is the value I'm missing by not shoving preflop that much greater?
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#3
11-21-2007, 01:01 PM
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Re: (39) AK too strong for a S&G?
[ QUOTE ]
Ok, he's not folding PF to my shove. He will fold a certain percentage of hands post flop. My stack is going in regardless, so what's the difference? I'm only worried about folding AQ/AJ, but will be glad when he folds 22-99(TT to the right flop). So is the value I'm missing by not shoving preflop that much greater? [/ QUOTE ] The difference is that the flop could easily miss him, and then you're letting him get away cheap. Why not get it all in pf when you are a solid favorite rather than on the flop when a push will either get him to fold mostly weaker hands or call with hands that usually beat you?
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#4
11-21-2007, 01:41 PM
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Re: (39) AK too strong for a S&G?
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[ QUOTE ] Ok, he's not folding PF to my shove. He will fold a certain percentage of hands post flop. My stack is going in regardless, so what's the difference? I'm only worried about folding AQ/AJ, but will be glad when he folds 22-99(TT to the right flop). So is the value I'm missing by not shoving preflop that much greater? [/ QUOTE ] The difference is that the flop could easily miss him, and then you're letting him get away cheap. Why not get it all in pf when you are a solid favorite rather than on the flop when a push will either get him to fold mostly weaker hands or call with hands that usually beat you? [/ QUOTE ] A made hand doesn't need to "miss" the flop. He'll fold alot of the hands that beat me on the flop, but not pre-flop. Look, I get the shove pre-flop part. I'm looking to see if there's a way to quantify how much value I'm losing by getting it in on the flop instead of pre-flop. So far, I'm only losing value to AQ/AJ folding, but gaining when they fold the pairs.
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#5
11-21-2007, 02:39 PM
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Re: (39) AK too strong for a S&G?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Ok, he's not folding PF to my shove. He will fold a certain percentage of hands post flop. My stack is going in regardless, so what's the difference? I'm only worried about folding AQ/AJ, but will be glad when he folds 22-99(TT to the right flop). So is the value I'm missing by not shoving preflop that much greater? [/ QUOTE ] The difference is that the flop could easily miss him, and then you're letting him get away cheap. Why not get it all in pf when you are a solid favorite rather than on the flop when a push will either get him to fold mostly weaker hands or call with hands that usually beat you? [/ QUOTE ] A made hand doesn't need to "miss" the flop. He'll fold alot of the hands that beat me on the flop, but not pre-flop. Look, I get the shove pre-flop part. I'm looking to see if there's a way to quantify how much value I'm losing by getting it in on the flop instead of pre-flop. So far, I'm only losing value to AQ/AJ folding, but gaining when they fold the pairs. [/ QUOTE ] how good is villian? if he not a winning regular i think you have a bit of FE preflop. this makes we want to push preflop.
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#6
11-21-2007, 03:01 PM
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Re: (39) AK too strong for a S&G?
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how good is villian? if he not a winning regular i think you have a bit of FE preflop. this makes we want to push preflop. [/ QUOTE ] Interesting, I thought that a decent player here wouldn't be raising hands he isn't calling a shove from the short stacks, so I thought I had 0% FE with him.
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