Will somebody run a Wilson Turbo Sim for me?

[thehilostud]

I don't own Wilson Turbo Omaha 8/B and it would be stupid to spend $50 on it for
what I want to know. Could one of you out there who owns it run a Sim for me?

I'd like to see how Florida's limit stakes hold up in the long term. Limit Hold
em' I think is unbeatable with a rake. However, I have a friend who has done
well over the last month at the 2/4 with a $5 kill Omaha 8/b at the Hard Rock.

Rake is $5 max. 10%. $1 Jackpot. Tip the dealer say.... $1 when the pot is over
$50. Kill pot is a scoop over $40.

Please post the results for 100k hands.

[Buzz]

Hi thehilostud - So far as I know, a simulator won't give you the information you seek. At least if it does, I don't know how to use it get that information.

I remember when I was trying to figure out what a good hand would be, sitting down at the dining room table with a deck of cards, some chips, and a pencil and writing tablet. It was before I had ever played poker in a casino.

I dealt out eight hands one thousand times, keeping track of what won and what almost won for both high and low. It took me a couple of days. I wanted to know what to play and what to avoid playing. I also wanted to know how often to expect a low split and a few other specifics. 1000 eight handed deals gave me a feeling. My wife thought I was nuts.

I had, at that point never heard of a simulator.

Now it takes a few minutes to have the simulator deal out a hundred thousand hands and keep better track of the results than I did. Or I can specify a certain hand or hands and/or flop and know in a few minutes what's good and what's not good. And there is other information that simulated deals can provide.

But so far as I know, the simulator doesn't tell you how Florida's limit stakes hold up in the long term.

Buzz

[thehilostud]

I believe it has a setting that will show a tight player versus 9 loose players and a setting for passive loose. It takes into account rake and tips based on a custom set-up. The program is designed to solve this exact problem.

The issue isn't skill. I've been beating middle limit O8/B for years. I just want to know what the expectation should be with one tight player and 9 fish..... My plan is to teach someone limit at Hard Rock. I just need to find out if it's a beatable game.

[prodonkey]

u aren't going to beat 2/4 with a $6 rake and $1 tip over the long term

[Buzz]

[ QUOTE ]
I believe it has a setting that will show a tight player versus 9 loose players and a setting for passive loose.

[/ QUOTE ]Hi thehilostud - I could put a tight player in seat 10 and loose passive players in the other nine seats, and then have a hundred thousand random hands dealt.

I'll do that for you. O.K. The sim is running. Four minutes to wait. I put C. Chan in seat 10 and Chasin' Charlie in the other nine seats. I guess we'll see if C.Chan ends up with a positive total. I think he probably will.

Indeed, he does. +$130,971. The nine Chasin' Charlies lost a total of -$760,670, an average of about $84.5K each.

I guess that shows you can beat the rake, even in a 2/4 game with a 10% rake, if your opponents play badly enough.

Buzz

[thehilostud]

Thank You very much for taking your time out to do it. Cheers!

[spike420211]

10%rake??? 4 real???
and i used to gripe about the 3.00 button time charge back home in San Jose,CA...
yikes.

[thehilostud]

The day after I asked for the Wilson Turbo Sim I started playing at the Seminole Hard Rock Limit Omaha 8/B $2/$4 game with a $5 kill. I'm using basic tight-aggressive strategy. It's ABC poker at it's finest.

11/13/2007 Tampa Hard Rock 6.0H +$181
11/14/2007 Tampa Hard Rock 7.0H -$66
11/17/2007 Tampa Hard Rock 8.0H +$8
11/19/2007 Tampa Hard Rock 8.0H +$185
11/21/2007 Tampa Hard Rock 8.0H +$245
11/23/2007 Tampa Hard Rock 8.5H +$88
Stats provided by Statking
Win/Loss +$553
Total Hours 52.50
Win Rate $10.53 p/h
Confidence 58.10%
Standard Deviation $44.62 p/h
Coefficient of Variation 0.23

I'll keep posting results on a regular basis. I started doing this because a friend of mine told me it was impossible to be beat any 2/4 game because of the rake. I bet him $500 it was beatable and that I could double a $500 bankroll to prove it. My guess was that he's just a poor Omaha player.

Now that I've won the $500 bet....

I guess I'm going to keep playing until I get bored or burn through the $500 I won.

[Truthiness24]

I've played that game before. There is no question that it's beatable even in spite of the $5+1 rake, just sitting there and playing like a nit. I used to beat it regularly with half my brain tied behind my back with patron silver.

The problem is that the game can only support 2 winners, tops. Probably just one.The drop is taking too much off the table to support much more. What is going to happen when another 2p2er comes along and wants to play?

[thehilostud]

I have yet to have one fellow "nit" sit down with me in the first 50 hours. It appears some of them think they are playing tight. They still however are seeing 40% of the flops. The one guy I thought might be decent (because he didn't play a hand for the first 20 minutes.) turned out to not know how to play Omaha and once he figured out the basics raised UTG with 777Q hit a set of sevens on the flop and then lost $60 popping and capping his way to 4th best hand. Nice read!

Every once in awhile they all get short stacked or the table gets shorthanded and the pots get smaller. I usually give it a cycle or two and if it doesn't improve, I go play 1/2 or 2/5 NLHE.