Folding the Nuts in a Sateltite. Theoryish Question

[Pudge714]

You are on the bubble of a satelite. 27 people get seats.
Let's say you have 150k and tied for first place.
Average stack is 30k. Blinds are 1.5/3k. The shortest stack has 10k.
The SB shoves preflop you have AA obviously it's an easy fold.
The SB completes the flop is Th8h9x you have JQ no heart he shoves you obviously fold. What if you have JhQh?
What about AhKh on a ThJhQx board you fold because he could have a set? What if the turn is a blank?
Lets says you have AA flop is AcAs2c. He shoves. Do you fold in case he has 3c4c, 4c5c, 3c5c or other hands which can backdoor straight flush you?

How do stack sizes effect this?
In the above examples how many chips do you need to call?
How short does the short stack need to be to fold? Or how many short stacks do there need to be to fold?
Obviously the more seats that pay the tighter your calling range should be. I know I asked a lot of questions in this thread and it is coming off rambly, but I think there is some interesting discussion here even if these situations will never come up. Also people please don't post in here if you don't get why you should fold AA or JQ in the first two examples.

[homanga]

Preflop is when the situations are going to come up. Under no circumstances are you going to fold the current nuts if you have made it to a flop. The thing is no pot is uncontested preflop at this point. If you have KK where a fold preflop will guarantee you a seat then you fold.

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Also people please don't post in here if you don't get why you should fold AA or JQ in the first two examples.

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Preflop is when the situations are going to come up. Under no circumstances are you going to fold the current nuts if you have made it to a flop. The thing is no pot is uncontested preflop at this point. If you have KK where a fold preflop will guarantee you a seat then you fold.

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[Pat_B]

LOL... Fold AA... no....

[Thegunshow]

stack sizes only affect this if you're bored and want to try to end the tourney. In first place with 5X the average stack I would be sitting out and it would autofold it anyway, but if I was playing, the only way I call this is if the guy is a short stack(<avg) and for some reason I want to knock him out. Proper strategy says fold anything here and wait for your seat but if the guy was calling people idiots and donkeys and what not, I would take a bit of pleasure in the opportunity to knock him out. Especially by making a 'donkey' move like calling. the total lack of respect and class in the chat at some of these is a bit annoying.

[Poisoned]

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LOL... Fold AA... no....

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Also people please don't post in here if you don't get why you should fold AA or JQ in the first two examples.

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i fold all these

[Pat_B]

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LOL... Fold AA... no....

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Also people please don't post in here if you don't get why you should fold AA or JQ in the first two examples.

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[NoahSD]

Fold unless there's absolutely no chance you can lose. I'd be sitting out.

[Exitonly]

is the SB in your examples the guy we're tied for 1st with? if so, obv fold them all. but even if it's an average stack i probably just call them all if we're on the actual bubble. Maybe not if it was a friend that i'd be knocking out. i just dont feel like dragging the experience on, it's gotta end sometime, and with your example, your stack is fine even if you were to lose half of it (i'd fold if this were for even close half our stack, i'm saying like 30k-40k i'd call w/ AA/Nuts)