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06-08-2007, 11:37 PM
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Re: R. Wexler (D-FL) to introduce legislation exempting poker from UIG
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Thus what is needed is not only the language of some bill or other favorable to our cause to be fashioned, but then for that to be passed in the very same manner as the UIGEA passed, i.e. by being attached in conference committee to must pass legislation. Long shot as that is, it is our only shot this year. [/ QUOTE ] Aside from an amendment to the relevant FY08 appropriations bill directing that "none of the funds provided by this Act may be used for enforcement measures pursuant to UIGEA," you are correct. Thanks for helping direct the discussion, BluffThis, and keep up the good work. Keeping a high level of grassroots energy while tempering expectations is difficult, as the two goals often conflict. The bottom line here, folks, is that the Senate is a much larger challenge than you are giving credit for. Bills with massive grassroots support and financial backing -- even presidential backing -- have passed the House over the years only to die in the Senate. If you want a good case study, search for what has happened to Associated Health Plan (AHP) legislation over the past 6 years or so. Passed the House a million times, part of the SOTU address, dead as a doornail in the Senate. That's our government! 
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#62
06-08-2007, 11:39 PM
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Re: R. Wexler (D-FL) to introduce legislation exempting poker from UIG
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] carve out for poker is easier to pass [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure that's true. [/ QUOTE ] I am sure it is true. [/ QUOTE ] Not so fast. There are some very complex considerations that go into which one is easier to pass. These considerations include overt factors such as which policy hsa a broader impact, as well as covert factors such as which one the people writing big PAC checks prefer. I do not know which will be easier, but for anyone in this forum to proclaim that they do is silly.
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#63
06-08-2007, 11:41 PM
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Re: R. Wexler (D-FL) to introduce legislation exempting poker from UIG
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[ QUOTE ] Engineer, have you read through the bill yet? I noticed some parts about requiring "regulation" of the operators. How does this compare to the Frank bill in your opinion? [/ QUOTE ] It looks good. I think we can all get behind this AND IGREA. I hope everyone will remember that we're not strong enough to divide up our efforts in favor of one or the other. My ten-minute analysis: - The bill defines poker (and some other games) as a "game of skill". It provides a definition of skill that provides for chance factor caused by random nature of cards. - "For some Americans, these games provide their primary source of income." Nice to have this text in the bill. - Modifies the Wire Act to exempt skill games. [ QUOTE ] Despite the fact that the language in section 1084 of title 18, United States Code, commonly referred to as the ‘‘Wire Act’’, has been interpreted by Federal courts as applying only to betting on sports, some in law enforcement interpret the section as prohibiting the acceptance of both sports and non-sports betting through a communications device. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 15 Section 1084 of title 18, United States Code, is 16 amended by adding at the end the following new sub 17 section: (f) 18 ‘‘(f) As used in this section, the term ‘bets or wagers’ 19 does not include operating, or participation in, poker, 20 chess, bridge, mahjong or any other game where success 21 is predominantly determined by a player’s skill.... [/ QUOTE ] - Feds "should take appropriate steps" to ensure that minors cannot play, compulsive gamblers are identified and referred to treatment, geographic location is verified, games not susceptible to use for money laundering, and appropriate taxes are collected. - Games cannot be offered where prohibited by states. No governor "opt-out" provision. Rather, state law governs. [ QUOTE ] Appropriate safeguards to ensure that the individual participant is physically located in a jurisdiction that does not bar participation in the particular Internet games of skill in which the individual participates at the time in the individual participates. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Good summary.
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#64
06-09-2007, 12:27 AM
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Re: R. Wexler (D-FL) to introduce legislation exempting poker from UIG
mr. k - do you think there is any way that an online poker bill gets through the senate with kyl and a hold lurking over there? what would you say the chances are of any new legislation getting through both houses of congress by this time next year? as always thanks for your voice of reason in regards to legislative matters and the workings of congress.
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#65
06-30-2007, 07:48 PM
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H.R. 2610 gets its first cosponsor
Rep. Bennie G. Thompson [D-MS] has become the first cosponsor of Wexler's SGPA.
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06-30-2007, 09:07 PM
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Re: H.R. 2610 gets its first cosponsor
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does he have any special clout engineer? [/ QUOTE ] He's the Chairman of the U.S. House Committee on Homeland Security.
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07-01-2007, 12:02 AM
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Re: H.R. 2610 gets its first cosponsor
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[ QUOTE ] does he have any special clout engineer? [/ QUOTE ] He's the Chairman of the U.S. House Committee on Homeland Security. [/ QUOTE ] The statement this makes about online poker and the governments assertion that it can fund terrorism is enormous.
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#70
07-01-2007, 12:30 AM
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Re: H.R. 2610 gets its first cosponsor
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[ QUOTE ] does he have any special clout engineer? [/ QUOTE ] He's the Chairman of the U.S. House Committee on Homeland Security. [/ QUOTE ] I'd like to add my "tip of the hat" to you Engineer for all your efforts during what is a trying time for all of us with money tied up.. thanks again.
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