Please feedback: 12 person home tourney hand

[jjk22]

12 person home tourney, 100 starting chips, 2nd round, blinds 2-4, 6 players at my table, stacks all pretty even.

5th position calls 4.
Button raises to 8.
SB calls, BB calls, 5th position folds, 28 chip pot.
Flop 2-4-5 multi-colored.
SB bets 30, BB folds, button calls.
Turn J-check check.
River 3-check, button bets 50 (nearly all his stack), hero calls (nearly all his stack).
Button wins with A-8 offsuit. Has wheel. SB had KK.
Does button's play make sense? Calling the flop bet?
Does hero's play make sense? Calling the river bet?

[MathEconomist]

I can't even figure out what you're trying to say here. Please use consistent terms to refer to the players. If I'm reading correctly, the button mini-raised with A8o, and the SB just called with the BB left to act and a limper in the pot. The limper folded? for 4 more after calling 4?

If this is correct, the SB is likely an idiot for just calling with the kings since he should expect a 4 handed flop. The limper is an idiot for folding after limping there. The button made a very bad call on the flop, unless he thought he could bluff at the pot at some later point. The SB should have shoved the turn (unless he plans on giving up the hand entirely after being called on the flop). The SB made a poor call on the river (what else can you expect the button to have)?

All of this depends on whether these people had reads on each other. But basically this sounds like a typical very poorly played homegame hand.

[Banks2334]

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But basically this sounds like a typical very poorly played homegame hand.

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[AaronBrown]

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Does button's play make sense? Calling the flop bet?

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Raising preflop in the button after a call with A8o is not the usual play. You shouldn't do it all the time, but it's not bad to do it for deception once in a while.

After the flop, button has to figure about a 29% chance of winning unless SB is bluffing. An A or 3 will probably win (28% chance), with two outers like 88 or 67. That's not enough pot odds to call the bet of 30 on the flop with a pot of 28. If he hits a three on the river he can probably take all of SB's money, but if he hits an Ace he'll probably only get the $58 in the pot (and he could lose the hand). The 85% of the time he doesn't get either of those cards on the river, he has to fold or go all-in with better than an 85% chance of losing.

I think this call only makes sense if he knows SB will check on the turn and call an all-in river bet if a 3 shows up. Since that happened, I can't criticize button's play. But his call on the flop shouldn't scare SB when a Jack comes on the turn.

Once he calls the flop bet, his play is correct.

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Does hero's play make sense? Calling the river bet?

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I assume hero is SB. Calling preflop is reasonable with KK, depending on the game. Betting the pot after the flop is not usual. Anyone who calls this bet will have enough of a hand to beat him if he improves. This bet forces out the hands KK wants to play against, like QJ or 88, while leaving in the ones he doesn't.

This bet only makes sense if he knows someone will call it with a hand like A8o, or fold with something like AA, 55 or 63. Since the former happened, I can't criticize the bet.

Checking on the turn has no justificiation. There's no hand for the button to have that justifies a call on the flop, that can beat SB after the turn. If button was willing to pay the pot to see the turn, but not raise, he should be willing to pay the pot to see the river. So make him do it.

Calling on the river makes sense only if he thinks button is making a pure bluff. There's no hand button could bet for value on that SB can beat. The only remotely likely hands for button are straight, two pair or a set. Also, if SB is going to call an all-in bet on the river, he should make at least some bet. There's a chance button has something like a pair of Jacks, and might call a moderate bet, or two small pair, and would fold to it. If he's got the straight or a set he's going all-in anyway, so it doesn't cost SB anything to make the first bet.

[DistantHaze]

Several mistakes were made:
<font color="orange">1)</font> The player in Seat 5 should not have folded to the raise, he was getting 7:1 on his money and his call would have closed the betting round.
<font color="orange">2)</font> The SB should not have just called with KK in that position, but rather have raised to force out the other 2 players, or possibly all 3.
<font color="orange">3)</font> The SB's check on the Turn was a fundamental poker mistake: giving a free card that could beat you. If he had little more than 50 left at this point, he should have gone all-in, forcing the player on the button to fold his draw.