"Jesus" advises Yang to stiff dealers?

[AngusThermopyle]

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and was only disappointed that Ferguson didn't have his facts straight.

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Please explain where Ferguson's figures were so far off.
pkrporcupine conveniently refuses to answer that point. I assume you will too.

[DrewDevil]

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I simply cannot understand why so many people are bashing pkrporcupine.

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Here's what she said in her first post:

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The issue I have is when the payout clerk asked Jerry if he would like to leave anything ADDITIONAL (yes that is how it was stated) for the dealers, Jerry looked to chris and asked What he should do. CF Told him that the dealers already get 2%, he was then corrected by someone in the room with us that its 1.8%, so CF goes on to say that "It works out to be around 170K that you have already tipped them so no, I would not leave anything more." It Was very wrong of CF to state it in that manner because he was flat out misleading.

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This thread has established conclusively that Ferguson was basically correct and NOT misleading, and yet she continues to whine that he said what he did. She is both wrong and whiny, and that gets old real fast.

[Zetack]

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I simply cannot understand why so many people are bashing pkrporcupine. When I first read her post, I thought it was incredibly well written and she did everything she could to make Yang look like a great guy. She also didn't bash Ferguson at all, just said he was misinformed. She then went on to say how much she enjoys her job, didn't expect anything from Yang, and was only disappointed that Ferguson didn't have his facts straight. THAT'S ALL SHE WAS DISAPPOINTED ABOUT.
Why is everyone giving her such a rough time? She was as gracious and as honest as she could have been, even though she lost a lot of money by not getting a substantial tip from Yang. It doesn't matter to me one bit if he tipped or not, I'm not one of those people at a poker table that says to someone after winning a pot "don't forget your dealer now". If you want to tip, you tip. If you don't want to tip, the dealers are already taken care of anyway.

Why the bashing on pkrporcupine? Except for that one totally needless comment about waving at some guy while he's doing construction (which was surely written out of frustration), I don't get the hate.

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Well, she called me tacky...

[suzy89222]

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Every year it seems like there's drama about what someone tipped or didn't tip.

Ferguson simply pointed out that he already had $150,000 taken out of his prize for the dealers. That seems like important information. When they ask you if you want to leave a tip, I don't think they say, "You've already tipped $150,000, would you like to leave anything more than that?"

If someone told me that the guy won $8 million and left a $150,000 tip for the dealers, I would think that sounded like a nice tip. I'm certainly not going to think less of the guy because the tip was automatically deducted.

If I go to a restaurant and they automatically add an 18% tip onto the check, and that's all we leave, I think it would be pretty lame to claim we "stiffed" the waitress. Yet that's the title of this post.

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i agree, and i am an ex-dealer.

[suzy89222]

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Of course, pig ignorant dealers will continue to whine and complain that they don't get enough. I played in a MGM tourney where the dealers got $5 out of each $45 entry fee, and one dealer complained that it hardly added up to anything. When I pointed out that it was more than one of the higher placing prizes, the dealer had nothing to say to that.

If they don't disclose that the dealers receive a suitably large cut, there should be lawsuits. God I hate tip hustling dealers.

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i hate them too, and i used to deal.

[NCAces]

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Why would you want to deal the final table of the WSOP for $15/hour? There's not much upside there -- if you screw up you are going to face tons of criticism and if you do everything perfectly it will just be what you are supposed to do and you'll take your mediocre pay and go home.

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Welcome to life. Imagine that ... criticized when you do poorly, and just doing your job otherwise. Yeah, that's unique to poker dealers.

BTW, the post about a restaurant charing 18% and then you not being a stiff if you don't give more is the final answer on this.

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[rafiki]

these forums on here always crack me up.

Don't Americans pay huge tax on the 8M ? How much does he actually take home ? Then on top of that he's giving some to charity. If someone told me even 100k was already taken out, and I was taking say 4M home after tax and charity, I'd say that's more then fine. You're throwing cards around the table. It's less difficult then working a 7/11. The real issue isn't how much this guy should tip. It's setting up conditions with your employer. don't like the tip structure ? don't work for them.

[ForRealDD]

TTIWWP

[seemorenuts]

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The real issue isn't how much this guy should tip. It's setting up conditions with your employer. don't like the tip structure ? don't work for them.

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You're inching closer.

A judge once told me to find another place to live if I didn't like the fact that a building I used to live in had seniors for 1/3 of its tenants and the conglomerate legally obtained exemptions so they didn't have to make all their buildings anywhere near fire-safe (self-closing doors, smoke monitors, elevator phones, dedicated elevator for firemen, self closing disposal chutes, exit lighting, emergency lighting in stairwells).

So the judge was an ass. See the connection?

The real issue is the failure of players to demand great service and to shift the reward schedule to reflect merit if the b&m casinos are too lazy to do it.

[burningyen]

Praise Jesus!