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Old 11-10-2007, 02:32 PM
NutsPlayer NutsPlayer is offline
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Default NL50: JJ on flop - fold or allin?

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $80.61
Hero (BB): $50
UTG: $193.64
MP: $48.87
CO: $47.75
BTN: $76.67

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1</font>, MP calls $1, 3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.50</font>, UTG calls $3.50, MP calls $3.50

Flop: ($13.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $11</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $22</font>, 1 folds, Hero ???

No stats for UTG. What you will say: fold or allin (or something else?)?

Thanks for your answers.
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Old 11-10-2007, 02:34 PM
Profish2285 Profish2285 is offline
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Default Re: NL50: JJ on flop - fold or allin?

All in time. His limp could be pocket pairs and suited connectors. While there are combos of hands we are behind to, there are more combos of hands we beat so I shove it. I think we will see 99 and TT alot. I think its also possible 55/77 does this thinking that we missed and they have a gutshot to go along with it. It could be a flush draw with overs or a naked flush draw as well.
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Old 11-10-2007, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: NL50: JJ on flop - fold or allin?

i'm not really sure about putting it all in, honestly. This UTG has got like 4BI on the table, and he has to call with something. What i'm wondering about is his mini-bet. wouldn't he just flat-call with a draw? smells like pocket sixes or fours to me, honestly, i can't think of a flush draw that would minbet the pf, 75ss is impossible at this spot i suppose. i'm really having some doubts about this one - probably all-in against an unknown, and also fold sometimes, definitely not it's not a spot to call his minraise, more cards to a str8 or flush will give us such a tough decision.. this miniraise, imho, screwed the hand up, he obviously has some money to push us around, and yet puts in only a miniraise
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Old 11-10-2007, 03:08 PM
iRunBad123 iRunBad123 is offline
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Default Re: NL50: JJ on flop - fold or allin?

min raise is usually a bluff or set. so all in.

he could also have 99 or 10
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Old 11-10-2007, 03:20 PM
Maunzekater Maunzekater is offline
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Default Re: NL50: JJ on flop - fold or allin?

minraises IP are often bluffs/draws IMHO. I never play without stats but against most players i shove here.
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:20 PM
NutsPlayer NutsPlayer is offline
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Default Re: NL50: JJ on flop - fold or allin?

Hmm.. Thought about set and folded.. Next time will think deeper.. Thx
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:32 PM
PepsPersson PepsPersson is offline
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Default Re: NL50: JJ on flop - fold or allin?

If I did my math right, we have to be win this hand 29,50% of all times we push for it to be EV$ (I think we always get called here, giving villain 2.98-1 to call). If I set villains range to 66+,44,AsKs,AsQs,AsJs,KsQs we will go winning from this battle 40.16% of the time. Clear EV$ and also add in those times he is trying us out with air and hands like A5o... Even if this is only like 5% of the time, its a nice amount of EV$ we have here!
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:35 PM
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Default Re: NL50: JJ on flop - fold or allin?

I def push here. Board is drawy + we may have his overpair beat + we can still hit a backdoor flushdraw.
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