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11-08-2007, 06:03 AM
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25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
Villain plays 25/15/1.6/1400 and tries to steal 25%.
These are hand 9,13 and 14 of the session, i just sat down at the table. ------------------ HAND #1 ------------------ Party Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LeggoPoker Hand History Converter CO: $29.45 Hero (BTN): $25 SB: $30.03 BB: $25.55 UTG: $25.73 MP: $53.84 Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) 2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3</font>, 3 folds Results: $2.35 Pot ------------------ HAND #2 ------------------ Party Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LeggoPoker Hand History Converter SB: $28.80 Hero (BB): $26.35 UTG: $30.25 MP: $25.20 CO: $23.13 BTN: $55.61 Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) 3 folds, BTN calls $0.25, <font color="red">SB raises to $1.25</font>, Hero calls $1, BTN calls $1 Flop: ($3.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $2.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, 2 folds Results: $8.25 Pot Next hand i was dealt AK: ------------------ HAND #3 ------------------ Party Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LeggoPoker Hand History Converter BTN: $25.30 Hero (SB): $30.69 BB: $30.25 UTG: $25.20 MP: $23.13 CO: $54.36 Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB) 3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">BTN insta-raises to $25.30 and is All-In, Hero?</font> I guess he is mad at me b/c i just sat down and started to 3bet him right away. He likely perceives me as a maniac and lowers his pushing range to 99+ or just plays back at me with AQ or stuff. Is this *small* 3betting history enough to justify a call? 
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#2
11-08-2007, 06:19 AM
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Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
If his range is 99+, AKs, AKo, and AQs you are about a 7% dog so I can't really see calling here. He might have something that isn't that great but if he has any pocket pair 99+ you are a 12% dog. I just don't see him making this move with nothing.
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#3
11-08-2007, 06:36 AM
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Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
Oops I almost replied to the other hands. 3bet JJ pf though.
I call this hand, good chance he's on tilt and 4betting semi-light. Certainly not a tight range. Wouldn't be surprised to see Aces as low as ATs, or even a good drawing hand like JTs at this point. That and on up. Without this history I fold but pretty easy call given the situation IMO.
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#4
11-08-2007, 07:07 AM
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Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
Yes, 3betting JJ is mandatory. I should have mentioned it: i hate it when i start a session and need to do multiple tasks at the same time, get a great run of cards and have no time to act accordingly... But better then minraising by quickly hitting the raise button, anyway
 I wonder if it is so easy to put someone with quite TAG like stats on tilt. Your experience is, that this happens quite often? I must admit that i usually play very tight when i am new at a table, so this is a uncommon spot for me.
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#6
11-08-2007, 08:58 AM
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Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
I'm sorry, don't understand what you mean.
[ QUOTE ] If i knew that villain tilts so easily, I am happy to call w/ AK [/ QUOTE ]
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#8
11-08-2007, 10:00 AM
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Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
[ QUOTE ]
If his range is 99+, AKs, AKo, and AQs you are about a 7% dog so I can't really see calling here. He might have something that isn't that great but if he has any pocket pair 99+ you are a 12% dog. I just don't see him making this move with nothing. [/ QUOTE ] If his range is {99+, AKs, AKo, and AQs} you have 43.8% equity but only need 43.1% calling 21.8/28.8 -> 1.32:1 -> 1/(1+1.32) -> .431 so calling or folding is more or less neutral EV. I call in these spots because it is pretty unexploitable. If he really has only 99+ you only have 40% equity so you fold, but that range is BS.
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#9
11-08-2007, 10:18 AM
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Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
Antinome, thanks for the computation.
I thought intuitively that i am flipping against this particular range. Throw in 88 and AQo (if not even one or two weird hands more, given the situation) and it's +EV. However, i called and he showed 44. I didn't expect him to 4bet so light. edit: spiked an ace [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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#10
11-08-2007, 10:38 AM
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Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
[ QUOTE ]
I'm sorry, don't understand what you mean. [ QUOTE ] If i knew that villain tilts so easily, I am happy to call w/ AK [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] well, that's where we differ obviously : If I knew villain tilts so easily, I am happy to push AK. If you like flipping for stacks, call obv hoping to dominate AQ / AJ - I don't, but I trust better spots will come to stack villain. nice catch though... rgz, Mris
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