JJ against EP raiser

drzen · #1 08-03-2006, 09:06 PM

I haven't long sat down in this game. I only have a handful of hands on villain but he's played a third and raised half of them. What concerns me is the flop raise. Good or bad? I'm thinking that worst case I get the other guy to fold and increase my chances down the track if I'm behind. I call the turn because I picked up a gutshot, and the river because AT, a lower pair or an AK that is bluffing are possible

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG (Villain) raises, UTG+1 calls, Hero 3-bets, 6 folds, BB calls, UTG (Villain) calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (12.60 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Villain bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, BB folds, Villain 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.80 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets, Hero calls.

River: (11.80 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.80 BB

tyler_cracker · #2 08-03-2006, 09:09 PM

the flop raise is totally standard. calling is unbearably awful.

i cap the flop then call down if he leads the turn.

Buckmulligan · #3 08-03-2006, 09:12 PM

I don't know. I'm not sure he has AT often enough for this to be the right move.

drzen · #4 08-03-2006, 09:20 PM

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I don't know. I'm not sure he has AT often enough for this to be the right move.

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You fold the river?

kumarshah · #5 08-03-2006, 09:21 PM

Capping flop is good , otherwise played well.

Although I do see a lot of people calling down after the 3-bet on the flop too

00Snitch · #6 08-03-2006, 09:23 PM

cap the flop? [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

please elaborate?

here is my elaboration...

ok, can someone help me put villan on a hand. im saying a non-pair broadway hand is unlikely after the flop 3-bet. it is possible he would play AA-TT this way, QQ-TT being more likely than AA-KK. he could also play AT,KT _maybe_ QT this way. am i close?

AA-QQ - 6 combos each, im going to discount it to 4 combos each due to lack of PF cap. total of 12.
JJ - only one of them left
TT - only 3 of them
AT - 12
KT - 12
QT - 12, but ill chop this down to 6.

30 in front
15 behind.
1 chop

wow, ok. cap that bitch. am i way off? or is this what you were thinking tyler?

DrModern · #7 08-03-2006, 09:33 PM

Yeah, I cap the flop too. I call down if he leads turn. Else I bet. If raised again on the turn, I could see slowing down.

tyler_cracker · #8 08-03-2006, 09:39 PM

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cap the flop? [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

please elaborate?

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i was mostly looking at this:

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I only have a handful of hands on villain but he's played a third and raised half of them.

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this read + we have an overpair + we have position == cap the flop.

but good job on the bayesian analysis. i dunno about even a LAG raising QTo preflop, though.

00Snitch · #9 08-03-2006, 09:50 PM

int thingsLearntToday = 0

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I only have a handful of hands on villain but he's played a third and raised half of them

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i actually mostly disregarded that. i guess it depends howmany a "handful" is. i find i will often have stats that read 30/15 after my first 20 hands in a session.

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i dunno about even a LAG raising QTo preflop, though

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fair enough, so if you drop my estimate of 6 combos of QT down to 4, we are looking at being infront of 28 holdings and behind 15 still.

cool, thanks for the post OP and thanks for the input tyler.

i would probably play as OP did, but after some more thinking, capping flop looks better.

thingsLearntToday++;

drzen · #10 08-03-2006, 09:53 PM

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int thingsLearntToday = 0

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I only have a handful of hands on villain but he's played a third and raised half of them

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i actually mostly disregarded that. i guess it depends howmany a "handful" is. i find i will often have stats that read 30/15 after my first 20 hands in a session.

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i dunno about even a LAG raising QTo preflop, though

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fair enough, so if you drop my estimate of 6 combos of QT down to 4, we are looking at being infront of 28 holdings and behind 15 still.

cool, thanks for the post OP and thanks for the input tyler.

i would probably play as OP did, but after some more thinking, capping flop looks better.

thingsLearntToday++;

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Yeah, a handful really was a handful, but I've learned too. On the table, you think "[censored], I'm beaten" but your analysis has shown me a spot where I'm losing value. So thanks guys.