WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: July. (#11 of 12.)

[BuddyQ]

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Full Tilt Poker -3.3% +0.5%

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So flat or small increase is not impossible.

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Again, would not be a problem for me. i am not the casual player. I have not put money online in over five years, but the regular Joe out there who feels like drinking a six pack and playing some poker has a problem with it.

Atleast he must, as he is doing so less and less. My point was the way things are now, any site is doing well just to hang on to market share must less grow.

[gamblerNC1]

You took one number out of all that as you did with my post. of course it is possible, but diffcult. My point was when you not only offer free rake but pay a postive -ev to play at WPEX and still your numbers are falling. i don't think adding a few bells and whistles is going to change that treand. Do you?

[BuddyQ]

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Again, would not be a problem for me. i am not the casual player. I have not put money online in over five years, but the regular Joe out there who feels like drinking a six pack and playing some poker has a problem with it.

Atleast he must, as he is doing so less and less. My point was the way things are now, any site is doing well just to hang on to market share must less grow.

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Agreed. The deposit/withdrawal isn't ideal or as good as it used to be. But on Wpex anyway, deposit is simple, fast, and free. For some, withdrawal is too slow.

[BuddyQ]

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You took one number out of all that as you did with my post. of course it is possible, but diffcult. My point was when you not only offer free rake but pay a postive -ev to play at WPEX and still your numbers are falling. i don't think adding a few bells and whistles is going to change that treand. Do you?

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No, not by adding a few bells and whistles. I believe Wsex could go from @800 players to @8000 fairly quickly with the right plan and execution. I have listed a few things I'd do above. Of course, you are free to disagree.

[SomethingClever]

WSEX GM:

Any chance you could clear your PM box?

Thanks,
SC

[gamblerNC1]

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You took one number out of all that as you did with my post. of course it is possible, but diffcult. My point was when you not only offer free rake but pay a postive -ev to play at WPEX and still your numbers are falling. i don't think adding a few bells and whistles is going to change that treand. Do you?

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No, not by adding a few bells and whistles. I believe Wsex could go from @800 players to @8000 fairly quickly with the right plan and execution. I have listed a few things I'd do above. Of course, you are free to disagree.

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Well I do disagree, but I hope I am wrong as I would love nothing better. Good Luck

[BuddyQ]

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You took one number out of all that as you did with my post. of course it is possible, but diffcult. My point was when you not only offer free rake but pay a postive -ev to play at WPEX and still your numbers are falling. i don't think adding a few bells and whistles is going to change that treand. Do you?

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No, not by adding a few bells and whistles. I believe Wsex could go from @800 players to @8000 fairly quickly with the right plan and execution. I have listed a few things I'd do above. Of course, you are free to disagree.

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Well I do disagree, but I hope I am wrong as I would love nothing better. Good Luck

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Meh, I'm an optimist, but I grant you based on Wsex past management history, this will likely never happen.

[gamblerNC1]

I know, 'easier said then done.' Here is what I would try if I were king of WsexLand:

1. Be exactly like Stars/FTP in every way including names in hand histories, allowing PT, HUDS, Datamining, 8-12 multi-tabling (stop listening to cranks and crackpots like 'tuff_fish') and have top notch state of the art software (just copy every good idea off stars and FTP).

I agree. I have never understood why they are so hard headed on this point. It has been part of the online game for years. If they had banned it and it worked than cool, but it has not, so change.

Except, don't be like the others in the following ways:

1. Offer 80% to 100% rake back on a sliding scale with your most active players getting the 100%, but the 'extra' 20% bonus must be spent in the sports book or the casino.

Not so sure about this as again the casual player get less and WPEX not only needs more player but also more casual players.

2. First two people who start a new table automatically get the 100% rake back regardless of their activity level.

Ultimate Bet does this if I am not mistaken. If the traffic increases than might help, but with the traffic as it is now I only see more short tables.

3. The 'Aces never lose' "congratulations!" auto-banner is a great idea.

Totally disagree. This promotion is the worst idea they ever came up with. It cost lots of money, and as I have said on this thread, many players are limping with aces to increase the chances of them getting cracked. I love it myself as it has changed a couple of winning sessions into break even ones, but money could better be spent on ads. If they do keep it they should at least tone it down to where if the get cracked the player does not profit from it.

4. A cool side-bar sports book panel up the side of the table to increase, entice more sports book action, and a casino panel up the other side highlighting the +EV for Wsex casino games to increase, entice more casino action.

Agree. Good idea. Might increase crossover traffic.

5. Get rid of the free-roles, use the money for advertising.

Agree. Total waste of resources. Though $100,000 a year to advertise is not going to help much.

6. Get out the word that the MoneyGram deposit option is, as it is, the single best way to deposit for Americans, this seems to be some kind of secret - why?

Can’t hurt

7. Pay out the rake back every other week, make more money on the interest carry float.

Disagree. The traffic on WPEX already falls as the week goes on. Players who go broke wait for their rack back to get back into action. Going two weeks will only add to this problem.

I applaud the GM's and Wsex's efforts, and I want rake free poker to succeed, but i believe new measures must be enacted quickly. Also, there must be some other good ideas posted here I left off.

Disagree. Though we have been too hard on management at times, I don’t think a standing ovation is in order.

If this didn't work, THEN I would shut down the room and say gg to the rake free experiment. Its too soon to conclude 'it just isn't working'

Agree. It is now or never. Get it done o0r slam and lock the doors.

I might add that the three new 5k add on tournaments should be broken down to $25 dollars rake for each instead of $75 dollars to be in all three. This give the casual and low limit player a chance to play in at least one of the tournaments

[Crane]

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Did you not read anything that Fred wrote? The part that "didn't work" was that there wasn't enough crossover to the sportsbook to justify the costs of running the rakefree poker room. If you nits had a little gamble in you, we'd still have a 100% rakefree room.

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This is just such BS I can't contain myself. Sports bettors are idiots. I've known ONE successful, professional sports bettor in my life. How can you expect intelligent poker players to make negative expectation sports bests. Sheer lunacy.

If this was their plan, to get crossover action from poker to sports, then what they needed to do was get lots and lots of players on their poker site. If they had 20 or 30k players, then yea, they might get enough brain dead morons to gamble on sports, and their plan MIGHT have worked.

But what the hell do you expect when you've only got 500 people on your poker site and 400 of them are in a stupid tournament!

Dream on people.