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11-29-2007, 03:32 AM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
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Some of the posts here actually scare me. "possessions aren't worth life", [/ QUOTE ] You're right, possessions are way more important than life. |
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11-29-2007, 04:45 AM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
I can see that there is some difficulty in determining whether or not this is legally murder, but ethically this is pretty clear cut. This man states his intentions to go out and kill two people rather than let them get away with a relatively worthless possession that isn't even his. Who is he to decide that his neighbor values this possession enough to kill over it?
He doesn't, at any point, make it clear that he believes they are armed or pose a danger to anyone. He goes out wielding a shotgun, which makes it quite clear that he poses a danger to these two guys. He then shoots these people. He is a murderer. All I'm hearing is ad hoc rationalizations, based on "these guys might have hurt someone in the future" and "these guys might have been armed" and "these guys might have lunged at him". Well, there's no "might" in his case. He definitely was armed, definitely posed physical threat to two people and definitely went out there with the intention to kill. People supporting the action ask "where do you draw the line"... well, I'll ask the same. These thiefs are scumbags, yes. So killing them is alright? Am I allowed to kill the UPS guy if he bones my wife? If you see a bully picking on some kids, you just gun him down? There seems to be some sort of fascination with "property" as if stealing someone's VCR is the utmost violation one could possibly commit. So I ask, where do you draw the line? At what point is killing someone over something completely meaningless just not alright? To say that killing them is justifiable in any way makes you (let alone the man who kills them himself) makes you far worse than these thieves. |
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11-29-2007, 04:50 AM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
Just to add, this guy is making a call from a CELL PHONE. If he believes the cops can't get there in time, how hard is it to follow these guys, shotgun in hand, from a very safe distance? You can stay on the line and lead the cops to them. This guy's first words are "I have a shotgun, do you want me to stop them?" This guy calls 911 to get them to tell him it's OK, and goes through with this plan despite the operator explaining numerous times that it isn't. This is murder.
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11-29-2007, 04:58 AM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
I agree with you in principle, but dude, this is Texas we're talking about, and as long as those statutes are still on the books then he's gonna be free and clear.
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11-29-2007, 05:08 AM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
WTF
This guy deserves life IMO. By a mile. Seemes like he clearly wen out of his way to pop these guys. Under diff circumstances his action could be standard, but here? WTF. |
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11-29-2007, 05:13 AM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
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I agree with you in principle, but dude, this is Texas we're talking about, and as long as those statutes are still on the books then he's gonna be free and clear. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I can see that there is some difficulty in determining whether or not this is legally murder, but ethically this is pretty clear cut. [/ QUOTE ] |
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11-29-2007, 10:40 AM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
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[ QUOTE ] I agree with you in principle, but dude, this is Texas we're talking about, and as long as those statutes are still on the books then he's gonna be free and clear. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I can see that there is some difficulty in determining whether or not this is legally murder, but ethically this is pretty clear cut. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Yup,this is what I was saying. |
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11-29-2007, 12:43 PM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
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xorbie - he didn't leave the house with the intention of killing those two guys. He only killed after they lunged at him, allegedly. [/ QUOTE ] There's little point in arguing with someone so dead set on being wrong. Have fun. edit: Actually, since we agree on everything but the basic facts which you appear to be ignoring, I'll ask a question, just for kicks. If the guy did go out there with the intentions of killing these two, would you still defend his actions? |
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11-29-2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To
xorbie you are taking the guy's comments our of context. His talk about killing was only in response the 911 operator saying the criminals were dangerous. The man was simply saying that he could take care of himself in the event he was threatened.
If the man went in to his yard simply to kill the two scumbags then he is guilty of, imo, 2nd degree murder. |
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