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Old 10-03-2007, 10:20 AM
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Default Not as \"standard\" a hand as it might seem at first blush....

The game is 5/10 NL at foxwoods. The two opponents who saw the flop with me each have between $2,000 and $3,000, and I have both of them covered.

From early position, I open for $60 with AcKc. Mid-position guy calls (he is a reasonably intelligent lag, and BB calls (he just likes to see lots of flops).

Flop is Ad 6s 9s.

BB checks, I lead for $200, mid-position raises to $600, and BB folds. So it's back to me.

What are we doing, and why?


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Old 10-03-2007, 10:36 AM
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Default Re: Not as \"standard\" a hand as it might seem at first blush....

All-in. Get rid of flush draws, get called by A,Q. He is not that deep anyway.
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Old 10-03-2007, 10:38 AM
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Default Re: Not as \"standard\" a hand as it might seem at first blush....

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All-in. Get rid of flush draws, get called by A,Q. He is not that deep anyway.

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what? not sure your reasoning makes a lot of sense. you want to push so that you only get called by AQ (and AK)?
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Old 10-03-2007, 11:03 AM
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Default Re: Not as \"standard\" a hand as it might seem at first blush....

My standard line if I only had 100BB's would be to call his flop raise, then check raise the turn all in if it blanks (i.e. neither the straight or flush draws complete)... This deep it's a little bit more difficult.

His most likely range is basically a straight draw, flush draw, combo draw, AQ, AK, A9, A6, 99, 66 and air. Combo draws include a flush draw with a gutshot as well as the open ended staight and flush draw, plus AsXs hands...

I don't know enough about this player to know whether A6s and A9s make up much of his range.

So essentially I think I would call the flop, check raise the turn and call if he shoves.
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Old 10-03-2007, 11:05 AM
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Default Re: Not as \"standard\" a hand as it might seem at first blush....

whats villians stack, its a pretty big diff if he has 2k or 3k.
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Old 10-03-2007, 11:10 AM
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Default Re: Not as \"standard\" a hand as it might seem at first blush....


what? not sure your reasoning makes a lot of sense. you want to push so that you only get called by AQ (and AK)?

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You think he is going to continue with a,rag if you flat call 600, when he only has 1400 behind?

I think the best value is in pushing here.
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Old 10-03-2007, 11:42 AM
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Default regarding villain\'s stack size and tendencies....

To start this hand, villain had about $2,600.

When I said villain is a reasonably intelligent lag, I meant to imply that almost any ace (especially if it's suited), and any pair is well within the range with which he will call preflop raises. So, in my mind, the chances of his having two pair, combo draw, or set are rather good.

Also, he is the type who would fire again if we call the raise and then check the turn.

Does this help?


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Old 10-03-2007, 12:04 PM
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Default Re: regarding villain\'s stack size and tendencies....

how come you opened to 6 blinds and then overpotted the flop, especially not knowing what to do if you get raised?

edit: I've played the 5-10NL at the wood several times, haven't seen someone open so big. Are you a regular?
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: regarding villain\'s stack size and tendencies....

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how come you opened to 6 blinds and then overpotted the flop, especially not knowing what to do if you get raised?

edit: I've played the 5-10NL at the wood several times, haven't seen someone open so big. Are you a regular?

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maybe he likes to play big pots!
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:16 PM
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Default Re: regarding villain\'s stack size and tendencies....

I am a regular in the 5/10 game at foxwoods.

Lately, the game has been playing larger for opening raises and post-flop bets. In this game, $60 from early position was definitely not an abnormal raise, and a slight overbet on the flop OOP also was not so unusual.

I never said I did not know what to do when I got raised -- in fact, I took my action fairly quickly -- I made this post because I am curious as to how others would have handled the situation.


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