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Old 11-29-2007, 01:36 PM
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When another team calls Matt Millen to ask if he has any recommendations, he should instantly get fired

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Old 11-29-2007, 01:42 PM
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I am not racist

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Thanks for the clarification.
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:41 PM
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It doesn't really matter unless they force black coaches to actually get hired an interview might waste a couple hours and isn't that big a deal.
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:27 PM
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When another team calls Matt Millen to ask if he has any recommendations, he should instantly get fired

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I was thinking the same thing when I read it.
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:33 PM
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To continue with the cream rising to the top metaphor, I think that's more likely to happen in the NFL than college. The people making the personnel decisions in the NFL are usually the front office higher-ups/ owner/ whoever. These guys are trying to keep their jobs and make money. The best way to do this is to win football games, so the teams are more likely to hire coaches that give the team the best chance of winning, regardless of race.

For college teams, the people making the personnel decisions are very much answerable to the university's boosters (much more so than NFL front office people are to their team's fans). The people doing the hiring for a college team are more likely to be swayed by the booster's interests in maintaining a particular image for the team. I don't know any college football boosters, but I would imagine that they're generally rich old white men, who don't have the best reputation for giving a chance to the black man.

I think that this disparity between NFL and CFB is shown by the fact that there are at least 6 (off the top of my head) black NFL coaches out of 32 teams, and like 4 or 5 or something like that in CFB out of 100something teams.
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Old 11-29-2007, 05:41 PM
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To continue with the cream rising to the top metaphor, I think that's more likely to happen in the NFL than college. The people making the personnel decisions in the NFL are usually the front office higher-ups/ owner/ whoever. These guys are trying to keep their jobs and make money. The best way to do this is to win football games, so the teams are more likely to hire coaches that give the team the best chance of winning, regardless of race.

For college teams, the people making the personnel decisions are very much answerable to the university's boosters (much more so than NFL front office people are to their team's fans). The people doing the hiring for a college team are more likely to be swayed by the booster's interests in maintaining a particular image for the team. I don't know any college football boosters, but I would imagine that they're generally rich old white men, who don't have the best reputation for giving a chance to the black man.

I think that this disparity between NFL and CFB is shown by the fact that there are at least 6 (off the top of my head) black NFL coaches out of 32 teams, and like 4 or 5 or something like that in CFB out of 100something teams.

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This is way off. Boosters do want to "maintaint a particular image" and that image is WINNING. Even in the deep south, these guys might be racists, but they're looking at this as hiring an EMPLOYEE. And they don't mind having a black guy work for them. They might be homophobes too, but if it means winning a SEC championship they'd not only HIRE a black guy but KISS him in front of a packed stadium of fans.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:01 PM
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To continue with the cream rising to the top metaphor, I think that's more likely to happen in the NFL than college. The people making the personnel decisions in the NFL are usually the front office higher-ups/ owner/ whoever. These guys are trying to keep their jobs and make money. The best way to do this is to win football games, so the teams are more likely to hire coaches that give the team the best chance of winning, regardless of race.

For college teams, the people making the personnel decisions are very much answerable to the university's boosters (much more so than NFL front office people are to their team's fans). The people doing the hiring for a college team are more likely to be swayed by the booster's interests in maintaining a particular image for the team. I don't know any college football boosters, but I would imagine that they're generally rich old white men, who don't have the best reputation for giving a chance to the black man.

I think that this disparity between NFL and CFB is shown by the fact that there are at least 6 (off the top of my head) black NFL coaches out of 32 teams, and like 4 or 5 or something like that in CFB out of 100something teams.

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This is way off. Boosters do want to "maintaint a particular image" and that image is WINNING. Even in the deep south, these guys might be racists, but they're looking at this as hiring an EMPLOYEE. And they don't mind having a black guy work for them. They might be homophobes too, but if it means winning a SEC championship they'd not only HIRE a black guy but KISS him in front of a packed stadium of fans.

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I disagree. If that's the case then you are saying it's the AD at almost each and every school that is the one stopping the process. Teams want to win and they want to win their way.

Boosters have a big influence in the hiring of coaches at many schools. After all it is their money that will be paying the salaries, and it is their money that this new coach is going to be calling them personally and asking them for.

AD's need 2 things. 1. They need wins (to keep alumni happy) and 2. they need money to be raised. A lot of people can do # 1. It's #2 that keeps ADs awake at night and keeps boosters on speed dial.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:29 PM
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The B,

I don't know about you, but I'm similarly pissed that there's no National Pistol Association. Who do those NRA [censored] think they are?
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:39 PM
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I don't know so much that the issue is AD's/GM's or rich powerful alums are racist. It's more that they aren't all incredibly slick objective and impartial in viewing potential candidates (this is especially so of the rich old alums). A lot have an image of what a coach should look like; very often this is the tough old (white) guy who shaves with broken glass and makes his teams tough as nails. The point is, the world does not consist of people in positions of power who are able to divorce their subtle biases, or the biases of people who they have to appease, from their decision-making process.

If you further believe that there is a large class of coaches between whom there isn't a huge difference in ability, then making the mistake of overlooking qualified minorities in favor of somewhat less qualified white coaches may not make a huge difference in most cases. So ignoring minorities isn't giving rise to a particularly large exploitable edge or putting numerous AD jobs at risk that otherwise would be safe.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:04 PM
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I think the problem in the NFL is that there really aren't a whole lot of black assistants to hire as head coaches right now.
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