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Old 11-24-2007, 06:54 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU Fold a fullhouse? Surely not

You have top full. That beats underfulls. It also beats straights. Straight is normally quite hard to beat in nl. Not in this hand though. You beat it here. Just beat it.
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Old 11-24-2007, 09:25 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU Fold a fullhouse? Surely not

I would snap call and puke if he shows the 5c.

Basically you described villain as a good opponent who would get value from 22,33 Kc etc or air by playing this way.
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Old 11-24-2007, 01:38 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU Fold a fullhouse? Surely not

I mean, this should probably be a snap-call, but more than the 5c I would be worried about being shown A4 here. The fact that he donks into you on this A23c flop makes me kind of suspicious about the strength of his hand. I would expect him to not lead if he as the 4c for instance, but since it hits the river, you can obv take it out of his range. I find it hard to believe that he would continue-bet the turn on that sort of board without a pretty strong hand on the turn (A4 obv qualifies). Then the river hits so many hands, his river c/r line with the 2nd nuts makes sense against so many of your hands, since he would reasonably be expecting you to vbet any high club here. All that said though, that analysis is only because you decided to post the hand, so I'm assuming you got cooler by either the 5c or A4. I think his range in this spot is mostly polarized towards an underfull, so I snap call the river c/r.
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU Fold a fullhouse? Surely not

how do you not raise the turn 150bb deep yo
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:21 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU Fold a fullhouse? Surely not

i agree with aejones on like everything...
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:29 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU Fold a fullhouse? Surely not

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how do you not raise the turn 150bb deep yo

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I think calling can be ok since his hand is air or a draw a lot, both of which fold turn but can get insane amounts of money in on the river in various ways (like this one callcallcallcallcallcallcalllcall).
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:33 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU Fold a fullhouse? Surely not

Ok just reread OP and this is crazy talk that you are thinking of folding I would seriously be considering calling this shove with much that I vbet river with since I think depending on timing many people can decide to bluff here.

Its also terrible from a game theory perspective since this is close to the top of your range, he is a good player, and he gets to the river with a huge range of air (which he will bluff with some % of the time).
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:38 PM
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how do you not raise the turn 150bb deep yo

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I think calling can be ok since his hand is air or a draw a lot, both of which fold turn but can get insane amounts of money in on the river in various ways (like this one callcallcallcallcallcallcalllcall).

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meh i dont like having one street to put 6k stacks into a 2k pot
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:45 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU Fold a fullhouse? Surely not

You said he is making thin value bets. You have the top of your range. He can be doing this with such a wider range than one that beats A3. All underfulls, plus A2, nut flushes. He can do it with straight flushes and A4, but i mean you just have to call this. If the river was an offsuit 4, would you even consider folding this? Because the 4c gives him one more out to beat you, but it also gives him a few more to value bet light or a hand to rep to bluff.
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:49 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU Fold a fullhouse? Surely not

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how do you not raise the turn 150bb deep yo

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I think calling can be ok since his hand is air or a draw a lot, both of which fold turn but can get insane amounts of money in on the river in various ways (like this one callcallcallcallcallcallcalllcall).

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meh i dont like having one street to put 6k stacks into a 2k pot

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im with you on this.
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