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Old 07-19-2007, 12:09 PM
Novles Novles is offline
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Default I raise flop and get donked into on turn

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $265.15
BB: $209.35
UTG: $1,196.45
MP: $196.70
CO: $201.85
Hero (BTN): $209.55

Reads: <font color="blue">Villain is 28/17/2.6 over ~500 hands. Don't have a great read postflop but he seems decent. I've been playing like 23/18/3 here. push? fold? call?</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7.00</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $7.00, SB folds, BB calls $5.00

Flop: ($22) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $16.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $64.00</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $48.00

Turn: ($150) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $100.00</font>, Hero?
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:32 PM
Tooty816 Tooty816 is offline
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Default Re: I raise flop and get donked into on turn

I'm gonna put villain on AK or a set. It's unlikely he has two pair because of his utg raise. AQ probably reraises you on the flop. I would only draw to a flush but since you're not getting the odds, fold.

I'm interested in knowing what the villain had though. PM me the results you know it.

edit: oh, and I don't recommend calling an utg raise with KJ. You could be easily dominated if you hit either card.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:34 PM
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Default Re: I raise flop and get donked into on turn

With 138 left you have zero FE. Just call. You have odds to draw and you can save 38$ if you miss. Even if you hit your draw he's never folding for 38$ more in a 350$ pot.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:34 PM
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Default Re: I raise flop and get donked into on turn

just push, if you were deeper and weren't getting 100000:1 on the river if you miss just call
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:37 PM
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Default Re: I raise flop and get donked into on turn

given stacks, AI.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:41 PM
ValarMorghulis ValarMorghulis is offline
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Default Re: I raise flop and get donked into on turn

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given stacks, AI.

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and fold preflop
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: I raise flop and get donked into on turn

To those in favour of getting AI, do you think we're ahead unimproved more than 10% of the time? More importantly don't you think that if villain has nothing he will check river a lot? Villain doesn't seem like the type to try a 38$ bluff into a 350$ pot on the river.
I am not convinced that AI&gt;calling, especially since we have position.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:46 PM
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Default Re: I raise flop and get donked into on turn

kind,
given stacks/potsize, position is irrelevant.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: I raise flop and get donked into on turn

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given stacks, AI.

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Why can't we fold this? Is it because the villain's range could include QT QJ and JT along with TT+ and AQ+?
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:55 PM
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Default Re: I raise flop and get donked into on turn

After rereading my post I realize that position is irrelevent but I don't see why AI&gt;calling. IMO we are behind villain's range enough if we miss that we save a little bit by folding river unimproved. You also have to add the fact that if we're ahead on river unimproved villain will more than likely check and we can check behind to take down the pot.
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