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Old 11-11-2007, 03:04 AM
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Default Re: Winning in Tough Hold \'em Games

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Why would anyone want to play in a tough game?

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wrong question.

in my opinion the better question is this:

Why would anyone want to learn to BEAT tough holdem games?

answer: Because it will almost certainly improve your play, and thus, your earn, in ALL holdem games.
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Old 11-11-2007, 03:16 AM
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Default Re: Winning in Tough Hold \'em Games

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Why would anyone want to play in a tough game?

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wrong question.

in my opinion the better question is this:

Why would anyone want to learn to BEAT tough holdem games?

answer: Because it will almost certainly improve your play, and thus, your earn, in ALL holdem games.

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...far better reply than mine.
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Old 11-11-2007, 03:51 AM
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Default Re: Winning in Tough Hold \'em Games

There are plenty of games with one fish which are otherwise tough, if you can't handle the game when the fish folds it will often wipe out any edge you have because of the fish.
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Old 11-11-2007, 07:35 AM
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Default Re: Winning in Tough Hold \'em Games

there a re lots and lots of good things to say about this book. What really struck a cord with me, was that the post-flop section was organised according to line for flop and turn; i.e. the bet/bet line etc. This is in contrast to the books that divide according to what you flop, and that treat flop, turn and river as three separate strategic decisions. In terms of amount of information, it's unrivalled methinks.

Cheers,

Smurf

PS: Mason, the book is fantastic. It's strictly that NLHE is whipping LHE's butt so severely. Nobody seems to like full ring anymore and shorthanded is a rake-orgy.
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:26 PM
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Default Re: Winning in Tough Hold \'em Games

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There are plenty of games with one fish which are otherwise tough, if you can't handle the game when the fish folds it will often wipe out any edge you have because of the fish.

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Yes this is it. Or even more than one fish, when you find yourself in a hand against a tough player it doesn't matter how good the "game" is.

Maybe a more accurate title would be "Playing Well in Steal Situations Against Tough Players, Which Usually Implies That The Flop Is Heads Up". I'd like to see a cover design contest for that one.
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Old 11-11-2007, 02:36 PM
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Default Re: Winning in Tough Hold \'em Games

If amulet has a higher wr than stox, then he would naturally disagree with some of the concepts in the book.
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Old 11-11-2007, 04:55 PM
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Default Re: Winning in Tough Hold \'em Games

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There are plenty of games with one fish which are otherwise tough, if you can't handle the game when the fish folds it will often wipe out any edge you have because of the fish.

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Yes this is it. Or even more than one fish, when you find yourself in a hand against a tough player it doesn't matter how good the "game" is.

Maybe a more accurate title would be "Playing Well in Steal Situations Against Tough Players, Which Usually Implies That The Flop Is Heads Up". I'd like to see a cover design contest for that one.

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We could call it PWISSATPWUITTFIHU for short.

Change the title to "If The Flop Is Short-Handed" and you get the acronym IFISH
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Old 11-11-2007, 05:21 PM
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Default Re: Winning in Tough Hold \'em Games

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There are plenty of games with one fish which are otherwise tough, if you can't handle the game when the fish folds it will often wipe out any edge you have because of the fish.

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Yes this is it. Or even more than one fish, when you find yourself in a hand against a tough player it doesn't matter how good the "game" is.

Maybe a more accurate title would be "Playing Well in Steal Situations Against Tough Players, Which Usually Implies That The Flop Is Heads Up". I'd like to see a cover design contest for that one.

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We could call it PWISSATPWUITTFIHU for short.

Change the title to "If The Flop Is Short-Handed" and you get the acronym IFISH

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Old 11-11-2007, 05:34 PM
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Change the title to "If The Flop Is Short-Handed" and you get the acronym iFISH

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awesome.
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Old 11-11-2007, 06:32 PM
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Default Re: Winning in Tough Hold \'em Games

amulet--

I'd absolutely love to hear what you agreed and disagreed with in WTHG, which I think is the ne plus ultra of limit hold'em literature and in the top tier of poker literature. Which is of course not to say that it's perfect.

Like you, I'd like to hear what Mason has to say about it, but it seems probable that he's not going to be very specific, and anyway that particular interest of mine is more observational than anything else.

All my best,

--Nate
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