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Old 09-12-2007, 03:44 PM
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Default Game Theory Problem Of The Week

For this week's game theory problem we will take a look at another situation .

There are two players who pick numbers from 1-100 without replacement . Each player posts a $1 ante but player one must always check even though he's first to act . Player two has the option of betting the pot or checking behind . Given this knowledge , what strategy must player two employ to maximize his EV ?

We may make the assumption that player one and two are playing optimally aside from the stipulation placed on player one .
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Old 09-12-2007, 03:48 PM
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Player one can only check and call or check and fold . There is no raising in this game .
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Old 09-12-2007, 03:50 PM
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Default Re: Game Theory Problem Of The Week

lemee guess, ur taking a math class and trying to get us to do ur homework for u? joking obv.

good stuff, keep it comin.
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Old 09-12-2007, 04:18 PM
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lol, thx
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:00 PM
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Gave up on the previous question so quick?
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:01 PM
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I'm using this problem as a stepping stone into tackling the more daunting task .

We will get there in due time .

Be patient [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 09-13-2007, 12:16 AM
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Default Re: Game Theory Problem Of The Week

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For this week's game theory problem we will take a look at another situation .

There are two players who pick numbers from 1-100 without replacement . Each player posts a $1 ante but player one must always check even though he's first to act . Player two has the option of betting the pot or checking behind . Given this knowledge , what strategy must player two employ to maximize his EV ?

We may make the assumption that player one and two are playing optimally aside from the stipulation placed on player one .

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Optimal is:

P1
[1,56] Fold
[57,100] Call

P2
[1,11] Bet
[12,78] Fold
[79,100] Bet

P1 EV = -1/9

P1 can't improve by making any changes against P2
P2 can't improve by making any changes against P1
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Old 09-13-2007, 01:06 AM
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Default Re: Game Theory Problem Of The Week

Here is the EV set up using the cash game definition of EV .

Player two bets with [x,1] and player one check calls with [(2x+1)/3,1] . Notice that the answer to this will be the same as in the discrete case .

EV(P2)= 1*(1-x)*(2x+1)/3 + 3*(1-x)*(2-2x)/3*1/3 -3*(1-x)*(2-2x)/3*2/3 - (1-x)/3

There are 4 different product terms :

The first is your EV|player 1 folds .
The second is your EV|player 1 calls and you win
The third is your EV|player 1 calls and you lose
The fourth is your EV|player 2 checks

After simplifying of the EV formula you should get

EV(P2)=(-4x^2+6x-2)/3

EV' = -8x/3 +2
So x=3/4 .

This means that player two should bet with 75-100 and player one should call with 84-100 . This is better than my previous attempt .
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Old 09-13-2007, 04:09 AM
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Ok here is what I just don't seem to understand.

You apply a formula, get an answer. But do you do anything else to verify it actually answers the question?

Your P1
[1,83] fold
[84,100] call

Your P2
[1,74] Check
[75,100] Bet

My P1
[1,56] Fold
[57,100] Call

My P2
[1,11] Bet
[12,78] Check
[79,100] Bet


My P1 vs Your P2
EV = -0.094545

Your P1 vs My P2
EV = -0.118182


My Strategy wins 0.011815 Ante's per hand from yours while rotating positions.



Maximal against your P1 "P1MO"
[1,65] Bet
[66,92] Check
[93,100] Bet

Maximal against your P2 "P2MO"
[1,83] Fold
[84,100] Call

Your P1 vs Your P2
EV = +0.023636

Your P1 vs P1MO
EV = -0.447879

P2MO vs Your P2
EV = +0.023636

Maximal would win 0.2357575 Ante's per hand from your strategies while rotating positions
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Old 09-13-2007, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: Game Theory Problem Of The Week

Why not avoid betting 1-11 and bet with 67+ instead ?

I'm not sure the significance in why you're betting with 1-11 here .
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