Automatic Shufflers

[AKQJ10]

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This is not an "automatic shufflers" are rigged post. The likelihood of this occurring is like zero.

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So there's still a little chance, right?

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Of course. Bridges fail; planes crash; people cheat.

[lmcjaho]

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Who was it who made a fairly long post a month or two ago about how the floor pressing numbers into a console meant that the shufflers were obviously setting up AA vs. KK? The punch line was the assertion that the gaming authorities might be complicit as long as no individual is favored.


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I'm pretty sure it was the same guy - someone a little more well versed in how the search function works around here could probably dig up that other post for confirmation...

[MegumiAmano]

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I'm pretty sure it was the same guy - someone a little more well versed in how the search function works around here could probably dig up that other post for confirmation...

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...page=0&vc=1

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I have a different feel about the game when I play with automatic shufflers

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Give me a break, ROFL. Cards and shufflers don't have feelings, how do you have them about the cards and shufflers? Casinos dont have to do anything to "rig" a game, the rake pays for everything. They have no interest in the outcome of a hand. Please go back to playing on the internet where no one coludes or cheats and they respect your raises. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[youtalkfunny]

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I'm pretty sure it was the same guy

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Nice call.

[SenorBeef]

For a more serious answer (not that it's deserved), anywhere I've ever played has the dealer cut the deck after the auto shuffler works.

I suppose there could be a mass conspiracy to train the dealers how to cut the deck just right...

[AKQJ10]

I think the idea was that the shuffler set up AA vs. KK vs. QQ, then the dealer's random cut would determine who hit the jackpot this time. I guess they think it's hard to get to $40 and invoke the max rake in a raked SSNL or SSLHE game.

Woe be unto the dealer who accidentally cuts so the stacked pocket pairs end up too far down in the deck, coming out as garbled community cards or in the unused stub. Why, that'd be almost like a random shuffle, and casinos with random shuffles apparently can't stay in business.

[JJNJustin]

I appreciate all of your responses. I wasnt expecting too much in the way of affirmation, and that's good. Obviously I am not totally convinced of my own speculation about this or I wouldnt play poker 5 days a week at the Detroit casinos. I get hypomanic often and when I do sometimes mild paranoia or suspiciousness developes, in this case about automatic shufflers. Nevertheless, here are some things that still bother me:

1) Greektown Casino in Detroit has 18 tables, 90% of which at any given time are spreading a timed collection NL game. Since dealing extra hands per hour generates them no extra income with this time collection, why do they generously pay the monthly leasing for shufflers on each and every one of their tables?

2)Why is the dealer only allowed to cut once, yet not do anything else to the deck?

3)Why do these devices have infrared lasers installed in them, yet reportedly are not capable of reading the cards?

4)Why are these devices so expensive to purchase that most casinos lease them? The purchase price is listed as $14,000 on the website, www.shufflemaster.com. Is the machinery required just to produce a random shuffle so sophisticated as to cost this much?

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[magoo]

Casinos hire professional persons with degrees in casino management, business degrees, finance degrees, etc. They make the decisions about the issues your raise. You play in Detroit. But, you should realize, all casinos operate out of the same money/business management books. It seems to me, you are playing too frequently in poker rooms, you really don't care for. I understand that. No way, I would play in Greektown and Motor City a total of five days a week.


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I appreciate all of your responses. I wasnt expecting too much in the way of affirmation, and that's good. Obviously I am not totally convinced of my own speculation about this or I wouldnt play poker 5 days a week at the Detroit casinos. I get hypomanic often and when I do sometimes mild paranoia or suspiciousness developes, in this case about automatic shufflers. Nevertheless, here are some things that still bother me:

1) Greektown Casino in Detroit has 18 tables, 90% of which at any given time are spreading a timed collection NL game. Since dealing extra hands per hour generates them no extra income with this time collection, why do they generously pay the monthly leasing for shufflers on each and every one of their tables?

2)Why is the dealer only allowed to cut once, yet not do anything else to the deck?

3)Why do these devices have infrared lasers installed in them, yet reportedly are not capable of reading the cards?

4)Why are these devices so expensive to purchase that most casinos lease them? The purchase price is listed as $14,000 on the website, www.shufflemaster.com. Is the machinery required just to produce a random shuffle so sophisticated as to cost this much?

-J

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[cardcounter0]

1) why do they generously pay the monthly leasing for shufflers on each and every one of their tables?

So they don't have to train dealers how to shuffle. It eliminates paranoid players from thinking the dealer is stacking the deck.

2)Why is the dealer only allowed to cut once, yet not do anything else to the deck?

It eliminates paranoid players from thinking the dealer is stacking the deck.

3)Why do these devices have infrared lasers installed in them, yet reportedly are not capable of reading the cards?

The infrared laser is there to count the cards. Some stores use infrared lasers to automatically open the door. Those store door lasers can't read the cards either.

4)Why are these devices so expensive to purchase that most casinos lease them?

Capitalism. Sufflemaster has all the patents and a near monopoly on the card shuffling business. They try to get as much as they can for them. I am surprised they sell them, initialy the only way to have one was thru lease.